Madness Network question

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/500849def58bc8c3/4cc39e05d0199ac5?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=madness+network+-rotschrek#4cc39e05d0199ac5 How does this ruling square with: The Sleeping Mind [Sabbat:C, SW:C, Third:PTr] Cardtype: Action Modifier Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Dominate Only usable when the action is announced. [dom] Choose a tapped vampire. He or she cannot attempt to block this action. [DOM] Minions cannot untap during this action. The text of Madness Network [Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R] Cardtype: Master Clan: Malkavian Unique master. Put this card in play. After [a Methuselah] has finished all of his or her minion phase actions, any untapped Malkavians [controlled by other Methuselahs] (going clockwise) can take actions. Any minion can burn this card as an action that any untapped Malkavian (in addition to the normally eligible blockers) can attempt to block (go clockwise if 2 or more want to block). directly states untapped. waked minions are by default still tapped, and cannot block. This ruling allowing tapped vampires to block the madness network, changes the way the Sleeping Mind works since it also states that a tapped minion cannot block. A little explanation could be used here. Thanks Raille

On Jan 7, 12:09 pm, Raille <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t... [ quoted text not captured ] The Sleeping Mind sets up an ongoing effect that makes a particular minion (the chosen, currently tapped minion) unable to block, even if that minion later untaps. Madness Network does not set up an ongoing effect that bars minions from blocking, so 'attempting to block as though untapped' is sufficient to get around the 'any untapped Malkavian can attempt to block' restriction. witness1

witness1 wrote: > On Jan 7, 12:09 pm, Raille <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> The text of >> Madness Network [Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R] >> directly states untapped. waked minions are by default still tapped, >> and cannot block. This ruling allowing tapped vampires to block the >> madness network, changes the way the Sleeping Mind works since it also >> states that a tapped minion cannot block. >> >> A little explanation could be used here. > > The Sleeping Mind sets up an ongoing effect that makes a particular > minion (the chosen, currently tapped minion) unable to block, even if > that minion later untaps. > > Madness Network does not set up an ongoing effect that bars minions > from blocking, so 'attempting to block as though untapped' is > sufficient to get around the 'any untapped Malkavian can attempt to > block' restriction. Correct.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:puugj.6342$lo5....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Thanks. That seems to be reasonable. I was just looking for this exact thing. A Little explaination. Raille