rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Ruling: First Strike vs. Dodge

6 messages from 5 participants · 04 September 1995 – 08 September 1995
original thread on Google Groups

Joseph Cheek

As I understand it, First Strike cancels out even a dodge (scenario: muddled vampire hunter vs. vampire with celerity and a lot of dodge cards). My opponent claimed that dodges worked even against first strikes. Which is correct? -- Joseph Cheek (jch...@eworld.com) Grand Junction CO USA I buy and sell Jyhad cards (http://www.xmission.com/~cheek/jyhad.html)

Shane Travis

Joseph Cheek (jch...@eworld.com) wrote: : As I understand it, First Strike cancels out even a dodge (scenario: muddled : vampire hunter vs. vampire with celerity and a lot of dodge cards). My : opponent claimed that dodges worked even against first strikes. Which is : correct? Your opponent is. In Jyhad, the order of strike resolution is currently: Combat Ends (when played) Dodge First strike All other effects. In other words: if he dodges nothing can get to him (unless you have additionl strikes and he doesn't. Shane H.W. Travis | When a stupid man is doing something he is tra...@duke.usask.ca | ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | -- George Bernard Shaw

Michael Whitbread

When a vampire dodges, are his retainers protected from the strike? I think they are but I am not sure. Regards, M Whitbread

Shane Travis

Michael Whitbread (mw...@earthsciences.uq.edu.au) wrote: : When a vampire dodges, are his retainers protected from the strike? I think : they are but I am not sure. They are not. Under 12.3.1, Employ Retainer: "The only damage that can be dealt to [a minion] is _ranged_ damage ... This damage cannot be prevented by dodges or any other intervention." Shane H.W. Travis | Should we raise a generation of literate Americans, tra...@duke.usask.ca | very little of America as we know it would survive. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | --Richard Mitchell

L. Scott Johnson

Michael Whitbread <mw...@earthsciences.uq.edu.au> writes: >When a vampire dodges, are his retainers protected from the strike? I think >they are but I am not sure. No. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can protect a retainer from a strike, if the strike resolves. (Combat Ends or sending the opposing striker to Torpor with First Strike will protect the Retainer). Reference: 12.3.1 Retainers cannot use equipment, deal damage in combat, or act independently of the minion they are augmenting. They can be destroyed (burned) in combat by suffering as much damage as they have life. The only damage that can be dealt to them is ranged damage (see Combat, Sec. 15), and any time ranged damage is dealt to a minion, the Methuselah controlling the minion dealing the ranged damage may choose to apply all of it to either the minion or to a retainer on the minion. This damage cannot be prevented by Dodge or any other intervention. If a retainer is not burned in a given combat, its wounds are considered healed. Retainers are also burned when the minion they are employed by is burned. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger. |

SHIELDS MATTHEW C

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