[spoiler] Taunt the Caged Beast combos?

spoiler space ... ... ... spoiler space ... ... ... spoiler space ... ... ... Taunt the Caged Beast ani: (D) enter combat with any vampire, with an optional maneuver in that combat. ANI: Choose a vampire controlled by your predator and by your prey (not usable when only one other Methuselah is in the game). The chosen vampires enter combat. If only one is ready at the end of combat, he or she gains 4 blood. [spoiler text via vtes.pl] Right, so, "let's you and him fight" is usually a good deal. Even a pair of plain vanilla "hands for one" is still two blood off the vamps. But what can you do to steer the combat in a more ... substantial direction? Like, Frenzy would be cool, but that's an out- of-turn master, and it's, uh, your turn. What else is there? ~ Aby PS: Better safe than sorry, I figure, but is it still a spoiler after pre-release weekend?

On Mar 19, 10:19 am, "Abysmal Horror" <abysmal_hor...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Taunt the Caged Beast > [snip card text] > Like, Frenzy would be cool, but that's an out- > of-turn master, and it's, uh, your turn. What else is there? Vampiric Disease. Spread the love. Also, Alejandro Aguirre - "If Alejandro is ready, he may tap before range is determined in any combat that does not involve him to inflict 1 unpreventable damage on each combatant." He already has basic ani so he can possibly fit into a Taunt deck. -M

[ quoted text not captured ] Uriah Winter + Depravity? ;)

On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Did someone mention a new idea for a Uriah Winter deck? :-D If I needed a reason to start playing again, I may have found it... Regards, Noal

[ quoted text not captured ] I was going to make a Save face deck with Qadir... I change his clan to my prey's vampire clan, then make him press in combat. Course Vampiric disease will go into the deck. Or Mark of Damnation. That'll be funny...

what if you play a Dawn Operation and then play Form on Mist, will the next combat also be with aggrevated strikes?

Baaliprimogen wrote: > what if you play a Dawn Operation and then play Form on Mist, will the > next combat also be with aggrevated strikes? If the action is blocked again, yes, the damage done in the resulting combat will be affected by Dawn Operation.

[ quoted text not captured ] > Mark of Damnation. That'll be funny...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Mark of damnation & inspire greatness in a guruhi deck, lets you concentrate on voting while your predator beats the hell out of your prey for you, fun fun fun :) Sutekh_23

[ quoted text not captured ] Inspire greatness doesn't work I don't think... Well, depends on how you read it... But I don't think it'll work... Tempation on a vampire might cause people to want the other to put the smack on... Or burn that extra blood you need off it... =D

[ quoted text not captured ] When do you freak drive? After the combat, or before?

[ quoted text not captured ] Freak Drive (superior) is played after the block-combat.

[ quoted text not captured ] and if the action isn't blocked that second time, you can play it at *inferior* after the action, right? -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

On 21 mrt, 08:42, Salem <salem_christ....@hotmail.com> wrote: > LSJ wrote: > > kulaid...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Mar 20, 8:39 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >>> Baaliprimogen wrote: > >>>> what if you play a Dawn Operation and then play Form on Mist, will the > >>>> next combat also be with aggrevated strikes? > >>> If the action is blocked again, yes, the damage done in the resulting > >>> combat > >>> will be affected by Dawn Operation. > > >> When do you freak drive? After the combat, or before? > > > Freak Drive (superior) is played after the block-combat. > > and if the action isn't blocked that second time, you can play it at > *inferior* after the action, right? If the action is successful, then inferior freakdrive is good enough. The interesting part is that you can superior freakdrive before the end of the action when you're blocked/form of mist. LSJ, while looking at card text, I assume the following ruling is obsolete: "Is played at the end of an action, but still during the action. It cannot be played on an action that was made unpreventable by Concoction of Vitality, for example. [LSJ 19981028]" Seems like a dodgy ruling to me, for obvious reasons. Could it be removed? Cheers, B

[ quoted text not captured ] Or cleared up to imply that it refers to the timing issue of the not- able-to-use disciplines effect of concoction, instead of the 'unpreventability' ;) As in: It cannot be played on an action under the effects of Concoction of Vitality, for example. Misinterpretation on my side, cheers, B

Bram Vink wrote: > On 21 mrt, 11:23, "Bram Vink" <jja.v...@hccnet.nl> wrote: >> On 21 mrt, 08:42, Salem <salem_christ....@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> LSJ wrote: >>>> kulaid...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Mar 20, 8:39 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >>>>>> Baaliprimogen wrote: >>>>>>> what if you play a Dawn Operation and then play Form on Mist, will the >>>>>>> next combat also be with aggrevated strikes? >>>>>> If the action is blocked again, yes, the damage done in the resulting >>>>>> combat >>>>>> will be affected by Dawn Operation. >>>>> When do you freak drive? After the combat, or before? >>>> Freak Drive (superior) is played after the block-combat. >>> and if the action isn't blocked that second time, you can play it at >>> *inferior* after the action, right? >> If the action is successful, then inferior freakdrive is good enough. Yes, but the example so far is a FoM continuance that was blocked a second time. >> The interesting part is that you can superior freakdrive before the >> end of the action when you're blocked/form of mist. No, you can't. >> LSJ, while looking at card text, I assume the following ruling is >> obsolete: >> >> "Is played at the end of an action, but still during the action. It >> cannot be played on an action that was made unpreventable by >> Concoction of Vitality, for example. [LSJ 19981028]" >> >> Seems like a dodgy ruling to me, for obvious reasons. Could it be >> removed? > > Or cleared up to imply that it refers to the timing issue of the not- > able-to-use disciplines effect of concoction, instead of the > 'unpreventability' ;) > As in: It cannot be played on an action under the effects of > Concoction of Vitality, for example. > > Misinterpretation on my side, cheers, As you note, the ruling is still valid. The "still during the action" (and reading card text) should clear up any misconceptions.

I meant to ask if the action is successful, is freak drive played after combat or before?

kula...@gmail.com wrote: > I meant to ask if the action is successful, is freak drive played > after combat or before? After

[Talking about form of mist and Freak drive] [ quoted text not captured ] Which it would have to be. You couldn't play it before, since you don't know whether you're action is going to be successful at that point...? [ quoted text not captured ]