[LSJ] Marciana Giovanni, Investigator

Hi! The situation where Marianna gives intercept from torpor has occured in our playgroup (and ropecon '01) quite frequently - and so just to be sure: On Marciana Giovanni, Investigator reads 'Independent: Bleed actions cost Marciana an additional blood. Tap Marciana and choose a non-Sabbat vampire to allow that vampire to burn 1 blood to get +1 intercept.' Can you tap Marciana when he is not ready ? The card text doesn't explicitly say anything about that and there is no ruling (atleast I think so) that the cards texts cannot be taken advantage of when the vampire is not ready, but I think it is bit unintuitive that this investigator could help others when in torpor (well you never know about those necromaniacs!). If Marciana indeed could help from torpor she would make efficient and very cheap non-sabbat rumor mill that can do actions. Thanks, Jukka

In message <ed79416b.01081...@posting.google.com>, Jukka Lindström <pr...@iki.fi> writes >Can you tap Marciana when he is not ready ? Yes. Any special ability on a vampire may be activated ready or torpored, excluding specific card text. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot B457CA213D7E6 Happy Christmas your arse, I pray God it's our last 68C3695D623D5D

James Coupe wrote: > > In message <ed79416b.01081...@posting.google.com>, Jukka > Lindström <pr...@iki.fi> writes > >Can you tap Marciana when he is not ready ? > > Yes. > > Any special ability on a vampire may be activated ready or torpored, > excluding specific card text. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Fellow Methusalehs & LSJ: > > Any special ability on a vampire may be activated ready or torpored, > > excluding specific card text. > Correct. So, by extension, Mariel Lady Thunder could also stop a combat from torpor?? Presumably, a minion with the Starshell Grenade Launcher could tap to give a minion -1 intercept?? As a previous poster said, this is very unintuitive and it is a serious departure from what you, LSJ, have termed the backstory (the "reality"). Me? I would suggest that we have some sort of rule stating "no tapping to use abilities while in torpor" or some such. IMHO Madman

Madman2001 wrote: > > Fellow Methusalehs & LSJ: > > > > Any special ability on a vampire may be activated ready or torpored, > > > excluding specific card text. > > Correct. > > So, by extension, Mariel Lady Thunder could also stop a combat from > torpor?? Presumably, a minion with the Starshell Grenade Launcher > could tap to give a minion -1 intercept?? Yes. (card text). Card text applies as written. If card text doesn't require the minion to be ready, then the minion need not be ready. Cryptic Rider can target a vampire in torpor, for example. > As a previous poster said, this is very unintuitive and it is a > serious departure from what you, LSJ, have termed the backstory (the > "reality"). It's not my term, actually. Tom Wylie introduced me to that term back in 1995. Intuitive or no, it (like the undirected Mehemet action) follows clearly from the rules/card text. > Me? I would suggest that we have some sort of rule > stating "no tapping to use abilities while in torpor" or some such. That would be errata. Unnecessary errata, in this case, IMO. What would you do for other "active" abilities that do not require tapping? Alexandra, Alvaro, etc. Or tapping cards that require other cards? Louvre, etc. This path gets messy pretty quickly. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Cryptic Rider can target a vampire in torpor, for example. *tap tap* *whisper* I think you mean Cryptic Mission, Scott.

Jozxyqk wrote: > > > Cryptic Rider can target a vampire in torpor, for example. > > *tap tap* *whisper* I think you mean Cryptic Mission, Scott. heh. Right. No new errata for Cryptic Rider. Thanks for the correction. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3B7D110C...@white-wolf.com... > Madman2001 wrote: > > > > Fellow Methusalehs & LSJ: > > > > > > Any special ability on a vampire may be activated ready or torpored, > > > > excluding specific card text. > > > Correct. > > > > So, by extension, Mariel Lady Thunder could also stop a combat from > > torpor?? Presumably, a minion with the Starshell Grenade Launcher > > could tap to give a minion -1 intercept?? > > Yes. (card text). > Does this mean that a tapped vampire in torpor can play a superior Cloak the gathering on another minion? Cloak the Gathering The superior ability can be used to aid another minion even while the modifying vampire is tapped. [RTR 19941109] Rulebook (6.5.1.):"[a vampire in torpor] can play action modifiers during his actions" It's the 'during HIS actions' clause that confuses me.

jeroen rombouts wrote: > Does this mean that a tapped vampire in torpor can play a superior Cloak the > gathering on another minion? No. Action Modifiers/Reactions * Action modifiers cannot be played by a vampire in torpor unless that vampire is the acting minion. [RTR 19970306] [ quoted text not captured ]