Ratings page, VEKN IDs, and Event Calendar

The VEKN database and calendar are now tied to the White Wolf website making it a bit easier to manage profiles and such. Users will be able to link both their VEKN IDs and Prince IDs through their White Wolf profile. Errors direct people to contact me. As a tool for helping to solve some issues, here are some links Direct URL where people need to go to link their VEKN ID(there is a link in their profile): http://www.white-wolf.com/vtesimport.php Direct URL where people need to go to link their Prince ID. Note that they MUST have a VEKN ID associated FIRST before linking a Prince ID: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtesprinceimport.php These pages prompt you for your White Wolf Website login information. Please set that account up first. I would like to ask that you get the VEKN ID URL to as many players as possible so that the database can be updated. I will field questions and comments in private emails as always: org...@white-wolf.com Thank you for your time, Oscar J. Garza III Organized Play Coordinator White Wolf Publishing, Inc. 1554 Litton Drive Stone Mountain, GA 30083

OrgPlay wrote: > The VEKN database and calendar are now tied to the White Wolf > website making it a bit easier to manage profiles and such. Hmm, at the moment the functionality is worse than before. 1) Own rating is very hard to find, only through "My Account" 2) Event titles are not shown (Only some "Imported VTES event" 3) Rank in the event is not shown (?!?) 4) There are top X lists for the singles countries (that was heavily used before) 5) Career Games are lost Will this change or improve? Players here are allready asking. -- johannes walch

And since the old list seems to be down I have no way of finding my VEKN number =/

[ quoted text not captured ] I totally second Johannes' question. Is it going to change or improve *drastically*? I'm not (very) used to whining, but after registering and linking my V:EKN ID, what I found is one of the most counter-intuitive things I've ever seen on the web (and some of my tournament results look incorrect too, but unfortunately I don't know all of them by heart and I can't check against the no-longer-available old site). Brrrrr... :-( Emiliano

While you guys are playing out there can someone find me my VKEN number :-)

Since they were once on the events page, where are the floor rules residing now? Thanks. TTFn -Kaiser

The Kaiser wrote: > Since they were once on the events page, where are the floor rules > residing now? Thanks. This question, and the questions about the now-missing Player Registry, Prince List, Demo and Event How-tos, and all other material previously available on the Events page, is also discussed in the Conclave mailing list. I really hope that WW will be able to make all these resources available again soon, in one form or another. As to the usability of the new features we can already see, I am with Emiliano - these need to be thoroughly debugged to be made usable at all. Only after this has been done will we be able to see if it was an improvement over the old web pages. Hardy Range Prince of Bochum, Germany

Hardy Range wrote: > I really hope that WW will be able to make all these resources > available again soon, in one form or another. > > As to the usability of the new features we can already see, I am with > Emiliano - these need to be thoroughly debugged to be made usable at > all. > Only after this has been done will we be able to see if it was an > improvement over the old web pages. > > Hardy Range > Prince of Bochum, Germany If it is of any help to the guys at WW, please take into account that many players do not access the information directly, but are informed by other players thru message boards and such. I point this out just in case you are planning to somehow restrict access to information on other players (i.e.: tournaments/games played, GW/VP's standings and such stuff). I remember having search for these kind of information several times before to help settle a dispute over VEKN ratings and it was really helpful. What's more, it was available to everyone with some time for it (not everyone have time to spare, you know), and without need to have a WW account (anyway, I had one of those a couple of times for the WW Forums, but seem to have lost it due to innactivity... dunno... perhaps I'm missing something here - correct me if I am wrong, please -, so I now check WW forums without logging, and abstain from posting). Cheers! Andrés Valenzuela.

Kalessin wrote: > Hardy Range wrote: > > I really hope that WW will be able to make all these resources > > available again soon, in one form or another. > > > > As to the usability of the new features we can already see, I am with > > Emiliano - these need to be thoroughly debugged to be made usable at > > all. > > Only after this has been done will we be able to see if it was an > > improvement over the old web pages. > > > > Hardy Range > > Prince of Bochum, Germany > > If it is of any help to the guys at WW, please take into account that > many players do not access the information directly, but are informed > by other players thru message boards and such. Oh I know :) > > I point this out just in case you are planning to somehow restrict > access to information on other players (i.e.: tournaments/games played, > GW/VP's standings and such stuff). > You will have the access to the same amount of information. oscar

OrgPlay wrote: > > I point this out just in case you are planning to somehow restrict > > access to information on other players (i.e.: tournaments/games played, > > GW/VP's standings and such stuff). > > > > You will have the access to the same amount of information. > > oscar Thanks! Good to know it :D Andrés.

Hardy Range wrote: > The Kaiser wrote: > > Since they were once on the events page, where are the floor rules > > residing now? Thanks. > > This question, and the questions about the now-missing Player Registry, > Prince List, Demo and Event How-tos, and all other material previously > available on the Events page, is also discussed in the Conclave mailing > list. > > I really hope that WW will be able to make all these resources > available again soon, in one form or another. The former page is still available here: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/?line=events

[ quoted text not captured ] Thanks for that pointer, LSJ. WW just should have left that page functional, and linked the new Event Calendar from there (exactly as it was for the old one), instead of having replaced the whole page with the new calendar. Lots of confusion could have been avoided that way. Another question regarding the tools still accessible via the old page: Oscar Garza stated on the Conclave that the Player Registry is currently being worked on, too. Is the current version of the Registry usable in the meantime (e.g., for adding new players to the Registry), or will this added/changed information been lost during whatever transfer is made right now? Hardy Range Prince of Bochum, Germany http://www.vekn.de

Hi, I hope the following comment may be helpful to the people taking care of the new player registry. I checked my record and the record of few other players I know, and... ...the registry seems unable to handle half victory points! For instance, if you look at my record (V:EKN ID 3295001), I have 0 VP in Gen*Con continental qualifier, and 3 VP in the day 2 of the Championship: these should be respectively 0.5 and 3.5. Notice that however the ratings are computed correctly, taking into account the half VPs. Let me use this occasion to point out another problem in the registry, that was present also in the old version: relative player rankings are not correctly computed because of the bad handling of tied scores. Let me explain it with an example (for a concrete one, you may want to look at positions 42-46 of the current world rankings). Suppose player A and B have 100 rating points each, while C has 50. The rankings should then read: 1. player A, 100 pts 1. player B, 100 pts *3*. player C, 50 pts In the player registry, C would instead turn out to be second, instead of third. And this error messes up *all* the positions below. Cheers, Emiliano

Hi when i go to the page linked by Oscar i see only half a page, on the bottom there is a nice SERVER ERROR both in that page and in the account association page. I'm using Firefox 1.0.6 for windows (from work, i'll try with a non-crippled machine at home this evening ;-) Andrea

On 15 Nov 2005 06:35:58 -0800, "OrgPlay" <org...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Direct URL where people need to go to link their VEKN ID(there is a >link in >their profile): >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtesimport.php > hi, When i tried that, the system told me that i have to update my Game Finder info, or i could not link my Vekn ID. other than that, it worked fine for me. the database is almost empty tough, when can we expect that to be filled? regards, Chris.QJ

LSJ wrote: > > The former page is still available here: > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/?line=events Looks like all the links leading off from that page are now dead... Hardy Range

[ quoted text not captured ] Hi! I know, I know, I'm extremely annoying... ;-) But... Can we have some updates about the fate of the V:TES website? Now on the homepage there are cool sidebars that should show the top 10 ranked players, but all they show is random V:EKN numbers. This seems to happen because all rankings were removed, while only the tournament-by-tournament ratings (still without half VPs) remain... Any news? Thanks! Cheers, Emiliano

Emiliano Imeroni wrote: > > I know, I know, I'm extremely annoying... ;-) > > But... Can we have some updates about the fate of the V:TES > website? Emiliano, it is not you who is annoying here, but the removal of some much-used functionalities from the VTES web sites, without any prior information, without any information updates about the current status, without testing before implementing the change, and without fall-back planning. [ quoted text not captured ]

Hardy Range wrote: > Emiliano, > > it is not you who is annoying here, but the removal of some much-used > functionalities from the VTES web sites, without any prior information, > without any information updates about the current status, without > testing before implementing the change, and without fall-back planning. > > Hardy Range > Prince of Bochum, Germany ...and moreover nobody even bothers to reply about ANY of the issues I raised... :-( Emiliano

In message <1132760915....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Emiliano Imeroni <emiliano...@gmail.com> writes: >...and moreover nobody even bothers to reply about >ANY of the issues I raised... :-( It may be worth remembering that this isn't an official support forum for White Wolf, and that - based on past history - LSJ's access to various parts of the White Wolf website is limited. (Such as it being quite difficult for him to update some things outside the /vtes/ directory, when some of the downloads have moved.) You may find e-mail to the appropriate people to be more productive. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

James Coupe wrote: > In message <1132760915....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > Emiliano Imeroni <emiliano...@gmail.com> writes: > >...and moreover nobody even bothers to reply about > >ANY of the issues I raised... :-( > > It may be worth remembering that this isn't an official support forum > for White Wolf, and that - based on past history - LSJ's access to > various parts of the White Wolf website is limited. (Such as it being > quite difficult for him to update some things outside the /vtes/ > directory, when some of the downloads have moved.) > > You may find e-mail to the appropriate people to be more productive. I used the "Contact Us" button on WW's web site today and sent the inquiry copied below - I will let you know if and when I receive an answer... ----------------------------- to: Website Support subject: VTES Ratings page, VEKN IDs, and Event Calendar from: Hardy Range reply-to: prinz....@gmx.de message: Hello, there is quite some uncertainty about the future of the VTES support on WW's web site. The current Ratings page displays wrong results after the import from th eold database, no player regstration is possible, players in my group complain about errors ocurring during attempts to regsiter their accounts with WW or when trying to link accounts with their VEKN IDs, etc. Currently, there is some discussion about this on the VTES newsgroup and elsewhere, but no official statement from WW comes forth. So, what is currently done to fix all the different problems, and when can we expect to have a web site that has all the functionalities the old version had? Your answer will be very much appreciated. Hardy Range ----------------------------- Hardy Range Prince of Bochum, Germany http://www.vekn.de

James Coupe wrote: > In message <1132760915....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > Emiliano Imeroni <emiliano...@gmail.com> writes: > >>...and moreover nobody even bothers to reply about >>ANY of the issues I raised... :-( > > It may be worth remembering that this isn't an official support forum > for White Wolf, and that - based on past history - LSJ's access to > various parts of the White Wolf website is limited. (Such as it being > quite difficult for him to update some things outside the /vtes/ > directory, when some of the downloads have moved.) Yes. These things (Ratings, VEKN IDS, Calendar) are outside of my sphere of influence (or knowledge). I know only what I can see through the web interface, just like everyone else. Oscar can tell you more. He reads this group (perhaps not as frequently as I, but he reads it). So he'll be along to answer, I'm sure. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > Oscar can tell you more. He reads this group (perhaps not as frequently > as I, but he reads it). So he'll be along to answer, I'm sure. There seem to be a lot of problems with WWs internet access / presence, because there aren´t Conclave mails, the website is not updated and no one replies to emails. Or there is a Georgia-only holiday ;-) -- johannes walch

[ quoted text not captured ] Not that I'm aware of. But there is a National Holiday today. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

Hardy Range wrote: > James Coupe wrote: > > I used the "Contact Us" button on WW's web site today and sent the > inquiry copied below - I will let you know if and when I receive an > answer... > > ----------------------------- > > to: Website Support > subject: VTES Ratings page, VEKN IDs, and Event Calendar > from: Hardy Range > reply-to: prinz....@gmx.de > > message: > > Hello, there is quite some uncertainty about the future of the VTES > support on WW's web site. > > The current Ratings page displays wrong results after the import from > th eold database, no player regstration is possible, players in my > group complain about errors ocurring during attempts to regsiter their > accounts with WW or when trying to link accounts with their VEKN IDs, > etc. > > Currently, there is some discussion about this on the VTES newsgroup > and elsewhere, but no official statement from WW comes forth. > > So, what is currently done to fix all the different problems, and when > can we expect to have a web site that has all the functionalities the > old version had? > > Your answer will be very much appreciated. > > Hardy Range > The first reaction... Conrad Hubbard <con...@white-wolf.com> An: prinz....@gmx.de Betreff: Re: WEBMAIL (Website Support): VTES Ratings page, VEKN IDs, and Event Calendar Datum: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:02:35 -0500 I forwarded your message to management. [Hardy: snip my original message, see above] -- Conrad Hubbard White Wolf Publishing http://www.white-wolf.com Sword & Sorcery http://www.swordsorcery.com "Promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" - U.S. Constitution

Emiliano Imeroni wrote: > > I checked my record and the record of few other > players I know, and... > > ...the registry seems unable to handle half victory > points! > > For instance, if you look at my record (V:EKN ID 3295001), > I have 0 VP in Gen*Con continental qualifier, and 3 VP > in the day 2 of the Championship: these should be > respectively 0.5 and 3.5. > > Notice that however the ratings are computed correctly, > taking into account the half VPs. Emiliano and all, since yesterday, the Conclave mailing list, which was down for the last two weeks, is working again, and Oscar Garza bade all Princes to submit issues with the new system to him directly, so he can forward those to the web programmers at WW. I took the liberty and sent him my short list, which included the issue you noted about that half VPs are not displayed. Hopefully, what we see on the website will improve over the next weeks. Regards, Hardy Range Prince of Bochum, Germany http://www.vekn.de