Hello.
I am aware there is a "most recent effect" ruling. How does that work
exactly?
How does that relate to contradictory effects, such as playing a Haven
Unconvered on a vampire with Secure Haven?
Thanks for your help.
Cheers,
Luiz
"Luiz Col?n" <lcm...@ig.com.br> wrote in message news:ee0501ad.04050...@posting.google.com...
> Hello.
>
> I am aware there is a "most recent effect" ruling. How does that work
> exactly?
>
> How does that relate to contradictory effects, such as playing a Haven
> Unconvered on a vampire with Secure Haven?
I think the game avoids "most recent effect" type
issues. To answer your question:
http://minilien.com/?aOKbIb8nfo
You can play it on the vampire (haven uncovered)
but you do not get the D action rush until the
secure haven is removed.
Does not matter which is played first.
-JTP
"John P." <verg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<KuQmc.377856$Pk3.152156@pd7tw1no>...
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Hello, John.
Thanks for your answer.
I understand that Haven Uncovered does not cancel Secure Haven's D
actions prohibition effect.
However, I have read mentions to a "most recent effect" rule on this
forum, but could not find any explanation on how this should work (if
it really exists).
And, if it does exist, I wonder why it doesn't work in situations like
SH versus HU.
Thanks a lot.
Luiz
Luiz Col?n wrote:
> I understand that Haven Uncovered does not cancel Secure Haven's D
> actions prohibition effect.
>
> However, I have read mentions to a "most recent effect" rule on this
> forum, but could not find any explanation on how this should work (if
> it really exists).
>
> And, if it does exist, I wonder why it doesn't work in situations like
> SH versus HU.
Because the two do not contradict. One says no (D) actions can be made
against that vampire. The other just adds a (D) action to the list of
(D) actions in existence, all of which still cannot target the Secured
vampire.
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar:
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Luiz Col?n wrote:
> However, I have read mentions to a "most recent effect" rule on this
> forum, but could not find any explanation on how this should work (if
> it really exists).
If two efects contradict, the most recent one takes precedence.
For instance, suppose Matthias uses Clan Impersonation to become a
Ventrue, but is then Deranged by Rachel Brandywine. Both Clan
Impersonation and Derange are put on the vampire, and both state that
his clan should be something different. Derange would win out because
it's the most recent effect.
> And, if it does exist, I wonder why it doesn't work in situations like
> SH versus HU.
Secure Haven and Haven Uncovered do not contradict. SH says the vampire
can't be the target of (D) actions, not that cards that allow (D)
actions can't be played on the vampire.
--Colin McGuigan
That would mean that if I play, first a Heart of Darkness ("Any minion may
burn this card as a D action) and, second a Secured Haven, my Setite would
also "secure" his Heart of Darkness, making it impossible to anyone to burn
this card as a D action. Is that correct ?
jps
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Santi Jean-Pierre wrote:
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No. Secure Haven only protects the minion from (D) actions which target him
(or the counters on him). The cards on him are not protected.
Please do not top-post. It makes it difficult to follow.
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"Santi Jean-Pierre" <jp.s...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<c7mc4t$du0$1...@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>...
> That would mean that if I play, first a Heart of Darkness ("Any minion may
> burn this card as a D action) and, second a Secured Haven, my Setite would
> also "secure" his Heart of Darkness, making it impossible to anyone to burn
> this card as a D action. Is that correct ?
>
> jps
Hello, Jean-Pierre.
As I understand it, Heart of Darkness is not "secured", since Secure
Haven says the minion cannot be affected by (D) actions, but it
doesn't say anything about the cards on him.
The action to burn Heart of Darkness targets that card, not the
minion.
Cheers,
Luiz
> That would mean that if I play, first a Heart of Darkness ("Any minion may
> burn this card as a D action) and, second a Secured Haven, my Setite would
> also "secure" his Heart of Darkness, making it impossible to anyone to burn
> this card as a D action. Is that correct ?
I'm inclined to say no.
The action to burn Heart of Darkness targets the Heart of Darkness,
not the minion who has it.
The Secured Haven protects the minion, not his cards.
Now, if you had a card that gave you X, but also included a "may be
rushed as a D action" clause, such as Regent, and you then put a
Secured Haven on that vampire, I would say the Haven protects against
that, since the action would traget the minion, not the card providing
the effect.
Kelly