Acquired Ventrue Assets - "During each master phase, you
may move 1 blood from this card to any Giovanni you control."
Does this mean each Master phase of any player, or only the
controller's master phase?
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: Acquired Ventrue Assets - "During each master phase, you: may move 1 blood from this card to any Giovanni you control.": Does this mean each Master phase of any player, or only the
: controller's master phase?
This card is very useless wall paper anyone hear of Hunting ground??
only difference is that hunting ground is not limited on amounbt of blood
it can give, and cannot be destroyed by a D action.
I am very mad about this crappy card.
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Can you say Acquired Ventrue Assets AND Morgue Hunting Ground
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> wa...@nevada.edu (BRADLEY WARD) wrote:
>
> >: Acquired Ventrue Assets - "During each master phase, you
> >: may move 1 blood from this card to any Giovanni you control."
>
> >: Does this mean each Master phase of any player, or only the
> >: controller's master phase?
>
> > This card is very useless wall paper anyone hear of Hunting ground??
>
> >only difference is that hunting ground is not limited on amounbt of blood
> >it can give, and cannot be destroyed by a D action.
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What is your defination of wallpaper?
Pay 2 pool and get as much blood as you have controled Giovanni.
Put that blood on the card and then move 1 blood to a Giovanni
during a master phase (spirit wise I figure it as your master)
So you break even with 2 Giovanni and gain pool if more.
Also this card is not unique, so you can keep this up.
The only weak thing about this card is you need to protect it.
I think its a good card (not awesome but a solid card)
Especially if your playing Intercept combat<g>.
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> From: dhof...@cris.com (Daniel Hoffman)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
> Subject: Re: TOM: Q: DS: Acquired Ventrue Assets
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> In article <NEWTNews.8220478...@refplace.best.com> refp...@best.com writes:
> >What is your defination of wallpaper?
> >Pay 2 pool and get as much blood as you have controled Giovanni.
>> >So you break even with 2 Giovanni and gain pool if more.
>> There is a difference between pool and blood. You are always trying to
> convert blood back into pool not the other way around. Blood Doll are prized,
> not because you can put pool onto a vampire but that you can take it off.
> Which is used more, Minion Tap or Gird Minions? Minion Tap is used 1000
> times more often.>
> >Also this card is not unique, so you can keep this up.
>> Oh, like anyone would want to.>
> >The only weak thing about this card is you need to protect it.
>> That is the greatest weakness any card in the game can have. Though in this
> case I doubt anyone would waste their time bothering to destroy it much like> Oxford University. What is up with that? Even if it cost 0 pool and gave 2> votes for each pool spent very few people would bother playing with it.>
> >I think its a good card (not awesome but a solid card)
> >Especially if your playing Intercept combat<g>.
>> See above, it isn't even good for that.
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The blood doll isn't much good without giving your minions
blood to draw off of. 1 HG per Blood Doll is +1 income.
Rack and Feeding Razor also help.
This card gives you another source to refill your vampires.
If you have 3+ Giovanni you still gain pool if its not destroyed.
Now I know this is not nearly as good as a Hunting Ground, but
I still wouldn't classify it as wallpaper.
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>The blood doll isn't much good without giving your minions
>blood to draw off of. 1 HG per Blood Doll is +1 income.>This card gives you another source to refill your vampires.
A source inferior to 5th trad, voter capivation, taste of vitae and old
fashioned hunting. Not to mention the rack and feeding razor and the Discotek
and restoration.
If you are looking to gain pool over time then use a Short Term or Protracted
investment, better yet use Ascendance and get your 1 pool immediately instead
of wasting blood dolls and 3 turns.
>I still wouldn't classify it as wallpaper.
Nothing is REALLY wallpaper except Concealed Weapon and Chainsaw without house
rules. Cards which have no realistic use are so called "worthless" or
"wallpaper". If you have 3+ Giovanni and it isn't destroyed is just too many
ifs to be worthwhile. People will destroy it if you have enough Giovanni to
make it worthwhile.
dhof...@cris.com (Daniel Hoffman) wrote:
>>The blood doll isn't much good without giving your minions
>>blood to draw off of. 1 HG per Blood Doll is +1 income.>>>This card gives you another source to refill your vampires.>A source inferior to 5th trad, voter capivation, taste of vitae and old
>fashioned hunting. Not to mention the rack and feeding razor and the Discotek
>and restoration.
>
>If you are looking to gain pool over time then use a Short Term or Protracted
>investment, better yet use Ascendance and get your 1 pool immediately instead
>of wasting blood dolls and 3 turns.
Ascendance is the biggest waste of a master card action known to man.
Protracted Investment probably makes number two. Better ways to get
pool are not limited to:
5th Trad. + Minion Tap (add Golconda and Soul Gem to taste)
Parity Shift
Anathema
Sacrificial Lamb
Edge
*Certainly* Blood Doll + HG, Rack, Navar McClaren hunting. It keeps on
giving and frees you up to do other stuff. Blood Doll has the
versatility to keep blood on your vampires as needed, *or* feed you.
It's true I include it in fewer and fewer decks, but it still beats the
crap out of Ascendance.
TJH
: >I still wouldn't classify it as wallpaper.: Nothing is REALLY wallpaper except Concealed Weapon and Chainsaw without house
: rules. Cards which have no realistic use are so called "worthless" or
: "wallpaper". If you have 3+ Giovanni and it isn't destroyed is just too many
: ifs to be worthwhile. People will destroy it if you have enough Giovanni to
: make it worthwhile.
GOd does this thread piss me off, AVA is a fucking stupid card!
anyone with half a brain can see that AVA is 1/3 as good a a
simple hunting ground.
And Hunting grounds are not that good of a card they would be
classified as a decsent card
Say you did have 4 Giovanni out (yeah right 4 giovanni out at one
time?) NET GAIN (2 pool) (4 turns)
Short term invest NET GAIN (2 pool) (cant be destroyed) (3turns)
Clearly SHort term inv. a common card is far better than AVA.
Damn you people please pull your head out of your ass.
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> GOd does this thread piss me off, AVA is a fucking stupid card!
>
> anyone with half a brain can see that AVA is 1/3 as good a a
> simple hunting ground.
>
> And Hunting grounds are not that good of a card they would be
> classified as a decsent card
>
> Say you did have 4 Giovanni out (yeah right 4 giovanni out at one
> time?) NET GAIN (2 pool) (4 turns)
>
> Short term invest NET GAIN (2 pool) (cant be destroyed) (3turns)
>
> Clearly SHort term inv. a common card is far better than AVA.
>
>
> Damn you people please pull your head out of your ass.
>
>
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According to Tom this card can be drawn off each master phase,
not just your own.
Personally I think thats more then a bit wierd, but with that
rule you can collect pretty fast.
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In article <4e8sd3$5...@news.nevada.edu> wa...@nevada.edu (BRADLEY WARD) writes:
> GOd does this thread piss me off, AVA is a fucking stupid card!
Not with the clarified effect from WoTC.
> anyone with half a brain can see that AVA is 1/3 as good a a
> simple hunting ground.
It is now a version of gird minions.
> Say you did have 4 Giovanni out (yeah right 4 giovanni out at one
> time?) NET GAIN (2 pool) (4 turns)
Now it is net gain 2 pool in ONE turn (in a four player game)
It is possible to have a lot of Giovanni out if you have a couple embraces.
You can move one blood off during each and every master phase not just your
own. You can play AVA and immediately take one blood off, put it on a blood
doll and remove it. You are guaranteed to get 2 blood off before ANYONE has a
chance to burn it and by then it isn't worth their effort.
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: > > This card is very useless wall paper anyone hear of Hunting ground??: >
: > >only difference is that hunting ground is not limited on amounbt of blood
: > >it can give, and cannot be destroyed by a D action.
: >
: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: What is your defination of wallpaper?
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(This piece of shit card)
: I think its a good card (not awesome but a solid card)
(Yeah right, sorry to be offensive but this gets me mad)
(You are a idiot!)
(Short term investment is 3 times better than AVA)
you: Blah blah blah, I get one net pool, If I protect it and it only
takes me 4 turns
me: You are a moron! learn basic mathmatics, and the rules for jyhad
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In article <4e8hvb$j...@texas.nwlink.com>, "T.J. Hull" <t...@nwlink.com> wrote:
> Ascendance is the biggest waste of a master card action known to man.
> Protracted Investment probably makes number two. Better ways to get
> pool are not limited to:
Ascendence has the result of being able to be used immediately. In a
precarious position where you cannot afford to lose the blood from a
blood doll, can't afford the Investment, etc., Ascendence is useful.
Protracted Investment has less of a percentage payback then Short Term,
but in a deck with fewer masters, a Protracted investment is less card
intensive. Certainly two short term is better than one protracted
investment in terms of blood gain, but the protracted takes seven turns
to finish up, while the Short Term takes eight. In terms of a single card:
Card Blood Gain Time Spent
Ascendence 1 1
Short Term 2 4
Protracted 3 7
This seems reasonable.
> 5th Trad. + Minion Tap (add Golconda and Soul Gem to taste)
You must minion tap first, and your 5th tradition could be blocked. It
takes an action to use 5th Tradition. Golconda Loses a Vampire, and the
Soul Gem is not a guaranteer of a new vampires.
> Parity Shift
A vote that needs to be passed, and can only be called if you are losing
to another methuselah.
> Anathema
Another vote. Requires combat with another minion that you are not
necesarrily going to win. Other methuselahs may get the benefit instead
of you.
> Sacrificial Lamb
Can be blocked. Blood is gained, not pool.
> Edge
Easily stolen.
> *Certainly* Blood Doll + HG, Rack, Navar McClaren hunting. It keeps on
> giving and frees you up to do other stuff. Blood Doll has the
> versatility to keep blood on your vampires as needed, *or* feed you.
> It's true I include it in fewer and fewer decks, but it still beats the
> crap out of Ascendance.
Ascendence may be less useful in a broad sense then some of the other
examples above, but it is by no means a bad card. Its practical use is
more limited comparatively.
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In article <4e8sd3$5...@news.nevada.edu>, wa...@nevada.edu (BRADLEY WARD)
wrote:
> GOd does this thread piss me off, AVA is a fucking stupid card!> anyone with half a brain can see that AVA is 1/3 as good a a
> simple hunting ground.
This card can be used every master turn, not even your own. It is not
unique. It is different, but just as good as a hunting ground. In some
respects more, in some less.
> And Hunting grounds are not that good of a card they would be
> classified as a decsent card
Really? A number of blood gain decks and combat decks might disagree.
> Say you did have 4 Giovanni out (yeah right 4 giovanni out at
one
> time?) NET GAIN (2 pool) (4 turns)
Net gain: 2 pool, finished during your great-grand-prey's turn. I have
gotten out more than 4 Giovanni, and that was with a quickly constructed
deck made on November 29th (my birthday, and the release day of DS).
Even though it wasn't tuned, it occasionally got out more than 4.
> Short term invest NET GAIN (2 pool) (cant be destroyed) (3turns)
Four turns. One to play, three to reap the investment/
> Clearly SHort term inv. a common card is far better than AVA.
To you maybe...
> Damn you people please pull your head out of your ass.
In article <4e9nu9$d...@news.nevada.edu>, wa...@nevada.edu (BRADLEY WARD)
wrote:
>[Ref Wrote]> : What is your defination of wallpaper?
>> (This piece of shit card)
>
> : I think its a good card (not awesome but a solid card)
>
> (Yeah right, sorry to be offensive but this gets me mad)
> (You are a idiot!)
> (Short term investment is 3 times better than AVA)
>
> you: Blah blah blah, I get one net pool, If I protect it and it only
> takes me 4 turns
>
> me: You are a moron! learn basic mathmatics, and the rules for jyhad
See the above. Maybe you are having a bad day, but please, your tone
isn't really proper on this newsgroup.
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