1. Can Talaq get a Rutor's Hand even though RH says "Put this card on the
acting vampire"? I would think so, since "Talaq may play cards that
require basic Quietus or Thaumaturgy as a vampire with a capacity of 3."
And since allies treat agg damage as normal, he just loses 1 of his 3
life, correct?
2. Same basic question as #1, except using Magic of the Smith? I would
think so, for the same reason (Talaq card text).
3. Assuming #2 works, in regards to either Talaq or another Thaumaturgic
vampire, can MotS 'break the rules' so to speak, and get and equip a
piece of equipment that is out-of-clan, i.e. in Talaq's case, get The
Ankara Citadel, for example, or another Thaumaturgic non-Gangrel get some
Shackles of Enkidu? I would think so, via 1.4 in the new rulebook.
4. Does Talaq ignore the damage from Burst of Sunlight? I would think
so, since it explicitly says "all vampires in combat." Besides, sun
shouldn't hurt him -- a non-vampire -- should it?
5. Assuming I'm correct on all these points, doesn't that make Talaq
pretty cool? I mean, use Haven Uncovereds to Theft/Drain him up to
ridiculously large quantities of life quickly via Rutor's Hand actions (2
per turn), then Eldritch Glimmer for 10 or whatever you feel like. Of
course, people have to "let" you do this, and we are talking about a lot
of cards to do it all, so I guess Talaq isn't "cool" unless you manage to
pull all this off. :)
6. Assuming #5 is true, can LSJ, et. al., give me some role-playing
reason why "immortals" are so powerful, or about Talaq in particular, if
he is based on an RPG character? Is Talaq in the same class as, say, one
of the 20 or so mummies still in existence in the WoD?
Comments welcome. Thanks LSJ, et. al.
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Kevin M. wrote:
> 1. Can Talaq get a Rutor's Hand even though RH says "Put this card on the
> acting vampire"? I would think so, since "Talaq may play cards that
> require basic Quietus or Thaumaturgy as a vampire with a capacity of 3."
> And since allies treat agg damage as normal, he just loses 1 of his 3
> life, correct?
He could play it, but he wouldn't be "the vampire" when he tried to get an
extra untap, in the second sentence.
> 2. Same basic question as #1, except using Magic of the Smith? I would
> think so, for the same reason (Talaq card text).
I should've thought so, yes.
> 3. Assuming #2 works, in regards to either Talaq or another Thaumaturgic
> vampire, can MotS 'break the rules' so to speak, and get and equip a
> piece of equipment that is out-of-clan, i.e. in Talaq's case, get The
> Ankara Citadel, for example, or another Thaumaturgic non-Gangrel get some
> Shackles of Enkidu? I would think so, via 1.4 in the new rulebook.
No. You equip it normally. This requires you to meet all the
requirements of the card.
> 4. Does Talaq ignore the damage from Burst of Sunlight? I would think
> so, since it explicitly says "all vampires in combat." Besides, sun
> shouldn't hurt him -- a non-vampire -- should it?
Yes. Since combat strike cards have their resolution delayed, he is an
ally when it resolves.
> 5. Assuming I'm correct on all these points, doesn't that make Talaq
> pretty cool? I mean, use Haven Uncovereds to Theft/Drain him up to
> ridiculously large quantities of life quickly via Rutor's Hand actions (2
> per turn), then Eldritch Glimmer for 10 or whatever you feel like. Of
> course, people have to "let" you do this, and we are talking about a lot
> of cards to do it all, so I guess Talaq isn't "cool" unless you manage to
> pull all this off. :)
No cooler than a numebr of vampires.
You can also just throw an ally steal or an ally burn effect at him.
> 6. Assuming #5 is true, can LSJ, et. al., give me some role-playing
> reason why "immortals" are so powerful, or about Talaq in particular, if
> he is based on an RPG character? Is Talaq in the same class as, say, one
> of the 20 or so mummies still in existence in the WoD?
IIRC, Talaq is actually a very secluded vampire in the RPG. However,
Immortals can be very powerful. All of the White Wolf
supernatural/immortal/better than your average human type things have the
ability to kick ass, Talaq just does it this way.
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James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> Kevin M. wrote:
> > 1. Can Talaq get a Rutor's Hand even though RH says "Put this card
> > on the acting vampire"? I would think so, since "Talaq may play
> > cards that require basic Quietus or Thaumaturgy as a vampire with a
> > capacity of 3."
> > And since allies treat agg damage as normal, he just loses 1 of his
> > 3 life, correct?
>
> He could play it, but he wouldn't be "the vampire" when he tried to
> get an extra untap, in the second sentence.
Correct, so it would have no effect (other than to cost him a life for
the cost of the card and another life for the damage).
> > 2. Same basic question as #1, except using Magic of the Smith? I
> > would think so, for the same reason (Talaq card text).
>
> I should've thought so, yes.
Yes. It costs him a life to play, as well.
> > 3. Assuming #2 works, in regards to either Talaq or another
> > Thaumaturgic vampire, can MotS 'break the rules' so to speak,
> > and get and equip a piece of equipment that is out-of-clan,
> > i.e. in Talaq's case, get The Ankara Citadel, for example, or
> > another Thaumaturgic non-Gangrel get some Shackles of Enkidu?
> > I would think so, via 1.4 in the new rulebook.
>
> No. You equip it normally. This requires you to meet all the
> requirements of the card.
Correct.
The Golden Rule doesn't help here, since MotS says nothing about
ignoring the requirements of "equipping".
> > 4. Does Talaq ignore the damage from Burst of Sunlight? I would
> > think so, since it explicitly says "all vampires in combat."
> > Besides, sun shouldn't hurt him -- a non-vampire -- should it?
>
> Yes. Since combat strike cards have their resolution delayed, he
> is an ally when it resolves.
Correct.
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James Coupe wrote:
>
> IIRC, Talaq is actually a very secluded vampire in the RPG. However,
> Immortals can be very powerful. All of the White Wolf
> supernatural/immortal/better than your average human type things have the
> ability to kick ass, Talaq just does it this way.
Talaq is a former vampire (Assamite), whom Maimonides (yeah, that
one, but he's also a magician in the WoD) turned into a slow-aging
mortal with Disciplines. Talaq rules over Petra (Jordan), and is at odds
with his former CVlan. This is all old RPG material which may have been
retconned, though.
Mathieu
Mathieu (no.spam...@webmails.com) wrote:
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I think Justin Achille mentioned he had been killed by the new aggro
assamite clan whe the vampire npc's book came out.
Mark Wilkin