[LSJ] Voter Captivation vs Freak Drive

Voter Captivation states that it must be played "after a successful referendum." Freak Drive states that is must be played "at the end of a successful action (after resolving the action)". Since both cards are played at the end of the action, does this mean that a vampire can play a Freak Drive before a Voter Captivation? Greetings, Damnans

> Voter Captivation states that it must be played "after a successful > referendum." > > Freak Drive states that is must be played "at the end of a successful > action (after resolving the action)". I always thought you had to play Freak Drive even before the referendum started, as the action is completed the moment the referendum starts. Or is the referendum part of the action? That would make sense too because cards like bribes and voter caps are action modifiers... Either way, I think you can Freak Drive/Voter Caps in the order you want.

[ quoted text not captured ] No. Voter Captivation's window comes before Freak Drive's. "After" typically means "immediately after", not "at any time after". -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <bcusr8$kv7$1...@reader11.wxs.nl>, Phoenix <izaak.h...@o2.nl> writes: >Or is the referendum part of the action? Yes. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in news:3EF2F7B4...@white-wolf.com: > Damnans wrote: >> Voter Captivation states that it must be played "after a successful >> referendum." >> >> Freak Drive states that is must be played "at the end of a successful >> action (after resolving the action)". >> >> Since both cards are played at the end of the action, does this mean >> that a vampire can play a Freak Drive before a Voter Captivation? > > No. Voter Captivation's window comes before Freak Drive's. > "After" typically means "immediately after", not "at any time after". > So is there time to play Cryptic Rider before Voter Capping the vote? Can you play more than one "immediately after" card after an action? --Andrew

Andrew Joubert wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in news:3EF2F7B4...@white-wolf.com: >>No. Voter Captivation's window comes before Freak Drive's. >>"After" typically means "immediately after", not "at any time after". >> > So is there time to play Cryptic Rider before Voter Capping the vote? Yes. > Can you play more than one "immediately after" card after an action? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <Xns8FB874F842F08a...@199.45.49.11>, Andrew Joubert <wee...@horde.com> writes: >So is there time to play Cryptic Rider before Voter Capping the vote? > >Can you play more than one "immediately after" card after an action? http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=367E4613.446B%40wizards.com "They are both played after a successful referendum, but you can play them in any order you like." [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:01:56 -0400, LSJ wrote: > Damnans wrote: >> Voter Captivation states that it must be played "after a successful >> referendum." >> >> Freak Drive states that is must be played "at the end of a successful >> action (after resolving the action)". >> >> Since both cards are played at the end of the action, does this mean >> that a vampire can play a Freak Drive before a Voter Captivation? > > No. Voter Captivation's window comes before Freak Drive's. > "After" typically means "immediately after", not "at any time after". So what does "at then end of" mean -surely that's before "after" or even "immediately after"? Does the action somehow continue after the referendum? Is "resolving the action" different from resolving the referendum? If so which happens first?

In message <y59o76z3doxb.10...@40tude.net>, Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >So what does "at then end of" mean -surely that's before "after" or even >"immediately after"? > Does the action somehow continue after the referendum? Yes, since card text on a number of cards tells you to play things then. However, it is not specific to referenda. All actions have a small gap after resolution (including a block-combat resolution for an unsuccessful action) but just before they end, due to Freak Drive etc. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:43:34 +0100, James Coupe wrote: > In message <y59o76z3doxb.10...@40tude.net>, Timlagor > <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >>So what does "at then end of" mean -surely that's before "after" or even >>"immediately after"? >> Does the action somehow continue after the referendum? > > Yes, since card text on a number of cards tells you to play things then. > > However, it is not specific to referenda. All actions have a small gap > after resolution (including a block-combat resolution for an > unsuccessful action) but just before they end, due to Freak Drive etc. I still don't understand why "after" comes before "at the end of" in this instance.

In message <3re3yjce7j39.1727d1hzqryj0$.d...@40tude.net>, Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >> However, it is not specific to referenda. All actions have a small gap >> after resolution (including a block-combat resolution for an >> unsuccessful action) but just before they end, due to Freak Drive etc. > >I still don't understand why "after" comes before "at the end of" in this >instance. The referendum and the action ending are two separate things. You do one, then you do the next. Things don't just happen all at once. Immediately after the referendum, you get Voter Captivation. You are now done with the referendum references entirely. Now you handle the action ending. At this point, you get to play Freak Drive. You are now done with the action. [ quoted text not captured ]