WIERDO COMBO

gt3...@acmex.gatech.edu (Robert Courtney Campbell) wrote: >prety slick, huh?? Reminds me of certain fame combinations. And as long as your complaining about Vampires let me mention a personal peeve that will get WoTC a nastygram if I have to go underground in the near future anyway. What about the bitch who gets +1 stealth on all her actions? I don't remember the clan but I think she is Tremere, maybe Ventrue. I mean Lucretia is a 10 NOS WITH POOR DISCIPLINES for such a high cost and the big claim to fame is that +1 stealth ability. This new vamp makes her practically meaningless. Rory >-- >____________________________________________________________________ >Earl, are you okay??? >Earl????? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Robert Courtney Campbell >Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 >uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt3680b >Internet: gt3...@prism.gatech.edu >http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt3680b

Okay, guys, mull on this one for a second. I've got a friend of mine, name of Jeff Stephens. Soon as DS comes out, he starts trading like mad for force of wills. I'm confused. No big deal. He comes up with this deck, right? I play him with this deck he builds. He whips out Camille Deveraux and bleads me with her. I block. Form of mist. He gets the edge. Force of Will. I wake. He forms of mist. I'm bled again. He goes to torpor. Movement of the slow body. Rapid healing. He comes out of topor with all his blood on him and guess what he does? FORCE OF WILL AGAIN. No more wakes for me. I'm bled. torpor-movement-rap.healing-FORCE OF WILL AGAIN!!! In no less than six turns, he'd gone through me, my prey, and my prey's prey. He never blocks. He bleeds you six times a turn with the same friggin dude. And get this--when he doesn't have the cards to run the combo, HE GETS THEM BACK WITH CARLOTTA GIOVANI! prety slick, huh?? [ quoted text not captured ]

Robert Courtney Campbell (gt3...@acmex.gatech.edu) wrote: : Okay, guys, mull on this one for a second. I've got a friend of mine, name : of Jeff Stephens. Soon as DS comes out, he starts trading like mad for : force of wills. I'm confused. No big deal. He comes up with this deck, : right? I play him with this deck he builds. He whips out Camille Deveraux : and bleads me with her. I block. Form of mist. He gets the edge. Force of : Will. I wake. He forms of mist. I'm bled again. He goes to torpor. : Movement of the slow body. Rapid healing. He comes out of topor with all : his blood on him and guess what he does? FORCE OF WILL AGAIN. No more : wakes for me. I'm bled. torpor-movement-rap.healing-FORCE OF WILL AGAIN!!! : In no less than six turns, he'd gone through me, my prey, and my prey's : prey. He never blocks. He bleeds you six times a turn with the same : friggin dude. And get this--when he doesn't have the cards to run the : combo, HE GETS THEM BACK WITH CARLOTTA GIOVANI! : prety slick, huh?? This is the poster story for why they restricted Form of the Mist :'>

In article <4gt1po$l...@moe.cc.emory.edu>, dle...@mathcs.emory.edu (David Leader) wrote: > Robert Courtney Campbell (gt3...@acmex.gatech.edu) wrote: [> :Force of Will, Movement of the Slow Body, Rapid Healing combo, with Form of Mist to basicly make any blocks null and void example given] > : prety slick, huh?? > This is the poster story for why they restricted Form of the Mist With Carlotta Giovanni (as in his example), it doesn't matter if Form of Mist is restricted. 6 Form of Mists (as done with the restricted Tournament Rules), is sufficient to run a deck based on this idea. See my example in another thread (Re: How Big Should the CL be?). Repeated actions are broken. One of the Golden Tenets (Thou shalt not perform the same action type twice a turn regardless of subsuquent untaps...) completely ends this kind of gross combo. "I can send and receive e-mail even over the Internet"-aol commercial @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$ # Adrian Sullivan sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu Spoutingly yours 8^) # $ GAT/CS/O/WS R+++* tv&--- b++(+++)&+ t X++&-- 5->? e+*>++++ PS+&-+ @ # PE&++&- C(+++)$ UX+>+++$ N++(+) K+>++++ w---$>? M++$ r(+) y*+? 3.1# @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$

In article <4gt1po$l...@moe.cc.emory.edu> dle...@mathcs.emory.edu (David Leader) writes: >Robert Courtney Campbell (gt3...@acmex.gatech.edu) wrote: >: Okay, guys, mull on this one for a second. I've got a friend of mine, name >: of Jeff Stephens. Soon as DS comes out, he starts trading like mad for >: force of wills. I'm confused. No big deal. He comes up with this deck, >: right? I play him with this deck he builds. He whips out Camille Deveraux >: and bleads me with her. I block. Form of mist. He gets the edge. Force of >: Will. I wake. He forms of mist. I'm bled again. He goes to torpor. >: Movement of the slow body. Rapid healing. He comes out of topor with all >: his blood on him and guess what he does? FORCE OF WILL AGAIN. No more >: wakes for me. I'm bled. torpor-movement-rap.healing-FORCE OF WILL AGAIN!!! >: In no less than six turns, he'd gone through me, my prey, and my prey's >: prey. He never blocks. He bleeds you six times a turn with the same >: friggin dude. And get this--when he doesn't have the cards to run the >: combo, HE GETS THEM BACK WITH CARLOTTA GIOVANI! >: prety slick, huh?? >This is the poster story for why they restricted Form of the Mist This is actually the poster story for the golden tenets of NL. You cannot repeat the same action in any given turn, meaning one movt, rapid healing, force of will. Anyways this could be easily taken care of with deflection... Just pay your one blood and your prey is bled.

[ quoted text not captured ] Then your predator bleeds you again and unless you fill your deck with deflections (which become useless as soon as there are only 2 players) you probably don't have another. Besides, you can't play reactions when you're already tapped out

Hi Rory, On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, REF wrote: > And as long as your complaining about Vampires let me mention a > personal peeve that will get WoTC a nastygram if I have to go > underground in the near future anyway. > What about the bitch who gets +1 stealth on all her actions? > I don't remember the clan but I think she is Tremere, maybe Ventrue. > I mean Lucretia is a 10 NOS WITH POOR DISCIPLINES for such a high cost > and the big claim to fame is that +1 stealth ability. This new vamp > makes her practically meaningless. > Rory Except that she is a large vampire with only two of her clan disciplines, ie. no dominate.... Algustas *****You can live to be a hundred if you give up all the things that make you want to live to be a hundred.***** Woody Allen

Algustas <cfr...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote: >Hi Rory, [ quoted text not captured ] So what was her name and clan? Ans owhat if she doesn't have dominate. A skill card on her is a lot more effective then going for stealth thru most other means. If I can find the card I'm sure I can find enough uses to make her worth it. +1Stealth is really good. And a clan like Nos that already has plenty of stealth it is not as much of a major boon. It just ticks me off . Rory PS I think she even has presence and thats very powerful with stealth.

Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather than presence. Likewise other erratas such as those 2 Brujah princes - pres. rather than dom. Also Blythe. Pete "I'll just say my secret magic word..."

REF (refp...@best.com) wrote: : So what was her name and clan? : Ans owhat if she doesn't have dominate. A skill card on her is a lot : more effective then going for stealth thru most other means. : If I can find the card I'm sure I can find enough uses to make her : worth it. +1Stealth is really good. And a clan like Nos that already : has plenty of stealth it is not as much of a major boon. : It just ticks me off . : Rory : PS I think she even has presence and thats very powerful with : stealth. I think you're talking about Rebekka, Chantry Elder of Munich. She's an eight capacity from Dark Sovergns with superior Presence, Auspex, and Thaumatury and inferior Potence. Her special power reads "Rebekka gets +1 stealth on each of her actions. If your prey has a ready Malkavian, Rebekka gets +1 bleed." -- Modest, industrious, benevolent, temperate: is that how you would have men? Good men? But to me that seems only the ideal slave, the slave of the future. Modesty, industiousness, bevevolence, temperance are just so many hinderances to a sovereign disposition, great inventiveness, heroic purposefullness, noble being-for-oneself. --Friedrich Nietzsche, "The Will to Power" /------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | You don't get what you deserve, | Good people are good because they | | You get what you take. | are not strong enought to be evil.| |-----------------------------------+------------------------------------| | Conflicts between right and wrong | 'Conscience' is nothing more than | | are a sickness of the mind. | the fear of being caught. | \------------------------------------------------------------------------/

REF (refp...@best.com) wrote: : >I think you're talking about Rebekka, Chantry Elder of Munich. She's an : >eight capacity from Dark Sovergns with superior Presence, Auspex, and : >Thaumatury and inferior Potence. Her special power reads "Rebekka gets +1 : >stealth on each of her actions. If your prey has a ready Malkavian, : >Rebekka gets +1 bleed." : Yep thats her. : So she has 7 points for disciplines and 1 point towards her special. : She is Superior in 2 clan disciplines and Superior in a very useful : out of clan discipline. She has a much better chance of getting a : legal manip or Social Charm thru and even without a Dom boost the : gaining of a pool makes it worthwhile. She also can intercept and : fight as effectively as any tremere (san thoughts betrayed) and : Majesty out. Also gives vote defense/pushing with presence. And at : +2 stealth any vote she calls is unlikely to get intercepted. : And as I said a Dom skill card on her makes her much more deadly and : is easier then adding the 2 presence ones to get the useful presence : ability. And dominate cards will not clutter your hand while waiting : for the skill card to come up as you have other tremer to pass them : off on. Also give her the Superior Pulse! She is the best Tremere at : this since Stealth is there one weakness. : Tell me that 3 bleed at +1 stealth isn't a good vampire. Or better 4 : bleed and gain a pool. A really good combo that she is the absolute : best at pulling off. Just wait until you're prey has a Malkavian, and you use Rutor's Hand and Pulse on her. Six and four bleed, booth at +1 stealth, in the same round. (Polticial Manipulations and then cardless bleed). Damn I love that vamp. [ quoted text not captured ]

Hi Rory, On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, REF wrote: > >> And as long as your complaining about Vampires let me mention a > >> personal peeve that will get WoTC a nastygram if I have to go > >> underground in the near future anyway. > >> What about the bitch who gets +1 stealth on all her actions? > >> I don't remember the clan but I think she is Tremere, maybe Ventrue. > >> I mean Lucretia is a 10 NOS WITH POOR DISCIPLINES for such a high cost > >> and the big claim to fame is that +1 stealth ability. This new vamp > >> makes her practically meaningless. > >> Rory > > > Except that she is a large vampire with only two of her clan > >disciplines, ie. no dominate.... > > So what was her name and clan? Her name is Rebeka, Chantry elder of Munich (SP?), she is an 8 capacity Tremere with superior presence, Thaumaturgy, and auspex, and inferior potence. +1 stealth to all actions, +1 bleed if your prey has a ready Malkavian. > Ans owhat if she doesn't have dominate. A skill card on her is a lot > more effective then going for stealth thru most other means. > If I can find the card I'm sure I can find enough uses to make her > worth it. +1Stealth is really good. And a clan like Nos that already > has plenty of stealth it is not as much of a major boon. > It just ticks me off . > Rory > PS I think she even has presence and thats very powerful with > stealth. > Well, she doesn't do much for me as a Tremere. She might not be bad in a Toreador deck, if I was currently playing without tournament rules I might try her, she needs lots of majestys to survive combat though... *****Philip, remember that thou art mortal.***** Author Unkown, a servant to Philip of Macedon

In article <4h1mrf$cig...@leeds.ac.uk>, CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) wrote: : Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather [ quoted text not captured ] Absolutely not. Tom Wylie responded that these vampires are definitely supposed to have out-of-clan disciplines. The idea is to provide more oprions for mixing clans. Blythe, however, was errated. She only has inferior auspex. I hope this helps stephen beaulieu hi...@mail.utexas.edu

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dhof...@cris.com (Daniel Hoffman) wrote: >In article <4h1mrf$cig...@leeds.ac.uk> CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) writes: >>Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather >>than presence. >Absolutely not. Inherent stealth with sup. dominate would be a far too >unbalancing combination. >>Likewise other erratas such as those 2 Brujah princes - pres. rather than >>dom. Also Blythe. >Nope, the Brujah princes are correct, Blythe is the only card with errata. Why do figure Sup. dominate is so moch more powerful then Sup Presence? Rory

Daniel Hoffman wrote: > > In article <4h1mrf$cig...@leeds.ac.uk> CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) writes: > > >Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather > >than presence. > > Absolutely not. Inherent stealth with sup. dominate would be a far too > unbalancing combination. Actually, inherent stealth with prescence can be pretty nasty too. Prescence has some pretty bad bleed + cards (Though most are actions, not action modifiers).

In article <4h1mrf$cig...@leeds.ac.uk> CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) writes: >Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather >than presence. Absolutely not. Inherent stealth with sup. dominate would be a far too unbalancing combination. >Likewise other erratas such as those 2 Brujah princes - pres. rather than [ quoted text not captured ]

Chad Lubrecht <lubr...@udel.edu> wrote: >Daniel Hoffman wrote: >> >> In article <4h1mrf$cig...@leeds.ac.uk> CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) writes: >> >> >Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather >> >than presence. >> >> Absolutely not. Inherent stealth with sup. dominate would be a far too >> unbalancing combination. >Actually, inherent stealth with prescence can be pretty nasty too. >Prescence has some pretty bad bleed + cards (Though most are actions, not >action modifiers). Thank you for speaking up. I was begining to think I was the only one of that bent. And since there actions you can see them coming and are more likely to block. And I love gaining pool when bleeding. Rory

Super Ted <CLA...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote: >Wasn't Rebekka errated as soon as she was released, having sup. dom. rather >than presence. Likewise other erratas such as those 2 Brujah princes - pres. >rather than dom. No. These vampire are all supposed to have the disciplines listed. >Also Blythe. Well, Blythe was errata'ed to inferior Asupex, yes. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

gac...@ix.netcom.com(GC ) wrote: >1. I think this is the card that allows you to have three more rounds >of combat if you are going to torpor. The question: if you don't have >any blood left and are supposed to go to topor, but you play this card >and continue combat another 3 rounds, what happens when you take normal >damage or agg. damage? >One more question: >2. If in the first round of combat is manuvered out to long range by a >player, will the second round of combat be at long range (as long as no >other manuvers are played)? >-rhee Question #1 You are correct on the card, but not that it only gives one press so you need another source of presses (trap works well) to continue. Damage is assessed normally but you will not go to Torpor until the effect from the card ends. So normal damage will subtract blood if any is left on the vampire. Agg does the same but note that if the vampire is shy of blood this card does not prevent the vampire from being burned. Question #2 No, each round starts at close range and requires a maneuver to move it to long. Rory

> : Blythe was erratad, but the 2 Brujah not I think. Aren't there 2 > : groups of Brujah in vampire: the masquerade one with presence and one > : with dominate. > > There are two groups of Brujah, but the second doesn't have dominate. > The second are the True Brujah, who have Temporis. They are Non-Camillia. Even then, true Brujah still have prescence, along with potence--what they lack is celerity. ********************************************************************* Santiago * "I don't want to achieve immortality through e-mail: * my work - I want to achieve it by not ia...@mail.utexas.edu * dying." - Woody Allen