Master phase question

This came up last night.. * If you have two Short Term Investments in play, and do not play master cards, can you take the blood out of them both? I said not, the other said yes. Wordings can be interpreted either way, I guess. Other related situation: * When you have the vamp allowing two Master cards played on your Master Phases (Anson?) out, does playing an Out-of-Turn master prevent you from playing any Master cards at all on next turn or can you still play one master card? cheers, pirkka PS. Sorry my lack of effort with the Deck Archive. I suggest checking out Not the Deck Archive page at http://www.engr.trinity.edu/~mlangsdo/RPGs/Jyhad/Decks/index.html first.. I've actually got to play Jyhad a little after a long break now, and hopefully when I get my box of Jyhad I get more inspired and improve the quality of my archives..

phar...@niksula.hut.fi (Pirkka Hannunpoika Hartikainen) writes: >This came up last night.. >* If you have two Short Term Investments in play, and do not play master cards, > can you take the blood out of them both? >I said not, the other said yes. Wordings can be interpreted either way, >I guess. No. (You are correct) >Other related situation: >* When you have the vamp allowing two Master cards > played on your Master Phases (Anson?) out, does playing an Out-of-Turn > master prevent you from playing any Master cards at all on next turn > or can you still play one master card? Jyhad: OoT burns the whole phase, so you may not play your other Master. VtES: OoT burns a "Master Phase Action", so you may still play the second. References: From: aa...@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.deckmaster Subject: NEW: Rulings summary for Jyhad Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <39rdts$s...@perv.hal.COM> Short Term Investment: If a player has multiple master actions, can take multiple counters off of Investment(s). This is not possible if an out-of-turn Master card has been played, as that burns the entire master phase, not just an action. Because it says "take a counter off *the* Short Term Investment", you cannot take counters off multiple Investments if you only give up one master action to do so. ----- From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: [VtES][PR] Full Rulebook, 1 of 2 Date: 28 Sep 1995 09:18:37 +0100 Message-ID: <44dlot$1...@acorn.acorn.co.uk> Out-of-turn: Out-of-turn cards can only be played when it is not your turn. If you play this type of card, you lose your "master phase action" during the master phase of your next turn. (The phases of a turn are described in Section 6.3.) Once you've played an out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your next turn. [...] RULES CHANGES FROM JYHAD TO VAMPIRE: THE ETERNAL STRUGGLE Section 3.2.1 Master Cards Using an out-of-turn master card only burns a master phase action, not your next master phase. However, you can still only play one between turns. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

Pirkka Hannunpoika Hartikainen (phar...@niksula.hut.fi) wrote: : This came up last night.. : * If you have two Short Term Investments in play, and do not play master cards, : can you take the blood out of them both? No. Rather than playing a single master card, a Methuselah may take a single blood from an investment. If one had Anson, or Rumours of Gehenna in play, one could take up to two blood from up to two investments (it is allowable that they be the same investment). : Other related situation: : * When you have the vamp allowing two Master cards : played on your Master Phases (Anson?) out, does playing an Out-of-Turn : master prevent you from playing any Master cards at all on next turn : or can you still play one master card? Jyhad: OOTM burn your entire master phase. No master cards may be played or Master-phase effects generated. VTES: OOTM replace the playing of a single master card. If one has the ability to play more than one master, one may still do so. Related VTES questions to follow up his: - Since playing an OOTM burns the playing of only a single master card, can someone with Anson in play play two OOTM cards? - If one does not have Anson/Rumors and plays an OOTM, can one still generate Master-phase effects when your Master Phase comes around? The entire phase is not wasted... Shane H.W. Travis | I try to take one day at a time, tra...@duke.usask.ca | but sometimes several days attack at once. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | -- Ashleigh Brilliant

Shane Travis <tra...@duke.usask.ca> wrote: >- Since playing an OOTM burns the playing of only a single master card, >can someone with Anson in play play two OOTM cards? No. Playing an OOTM burns up your normal master phase action of your next turn, not any given master phase action. (This is partially for balance and partially to avoid confusion in scenarios where someone uses up both actions from Rumors of Gehenna, annd it is then removed before their next master phase (and so on). >- If one does not have Anson/Rumors and plays an OOTM, can one still >generate Master-phase effects when your Master Phase comes around? The >entire phase is not wasted... Yes, you can still use Blood Doll and so forth. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

tra...@duke.usask.ca (Shane Travis) writes: >Pirkka Hannunpoika Hartikainen (phar...@niksula.hut.fi) wrote: >: * When you have the vamp allowing two Master cards >: played on your Master Phases (Anson?) out, does playing an Out-of-Turn >: master prevent you from playing any Master cards at all on next turn >: or can you still play one master card? >Jyhad: OOTM burn your entire master phase. No master cards may be played or > Master-phase effects generated. >VTES: OOTM replace the playing of a single master card. If one has the > ability to play more than one master, one may still do so. >Related VTES questions to follow up his: >- Since playing an OOTM burns the playing of only a single master card, >can someone with Anson in play play two OOTM cards? No. This is expressly forbidden in the VtES rulebook 3.2.1. Master Cards Out-of-turn: Out-of-turn cards can only be played when it is not your turn. If you play this type of card, you lose your "master phase action" during the master phase of your next turn. (The phases of a turn are described in Section 6.3.) Once you've played an out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your next turn. >- If one does not have Anson/Rumors and plays an OOTM, can one still >generate Master-phase effects when your Master Phase comes around? The >entire phase is not wasted... Sure. Blood Dolls, Chantry, etc. are still usable. [ quoted text not captured ]