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A Cagliostro, The Grand Copht question?

8 messages from 6 participants · 08 February 2006 – 10 February 2006
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kula...@gmail.com

Cagliostro, The Grand Copht Clan: Follower of Set (group 4) Capacity: 8 Disciplines: OBF PRE SER nec pot Independent: If Cagliostro is ready during your discard phase, you get an additional discard phase action. If Cagliostro is blocked and combat occurs, he may place a corruption counter on the blocking minion when that combat ends. Here my question... Is his ability confined to once each action? or resulting combat? If the blocking minion Psyched the combat, can I place another corruption counter on him at the end of combat? (Actually my questions is if Cagliostro gets CEL and psyched the combat... Would he get to put another corruption counter on the blocking minion?)

a-e

[ quoted text not captured ] "he may place a corruption counter on the blocking minion when THAT combat ends" psyche! starts new combat, so it ain't that combat (resulted by block) anymore. so no, he can't place another counter.

LSJ

kulaid...@gmail.com wrote: > Cagliostro, The Grand Copht > Clan: Follower of Set (group 4) > Capacity: 8 > Disciplines: OBF PRE SER nec pot > Independent: If Cagliostro is ready during your discard phase, you get > an additional discard phase action. If Cagliostro is blocked and combat > occurs, he may place a corruption counter on the blocking minion when > that combat ends. > > Here my question... Is his ability confined to once each action? or > resulting combat? Yes. > If the blocking minion Psyched the combat, can I place another > corruption counter on him at the end of combat? No. Card text: "that combat".

Tom Duncan

[ quoted text not captured ] The standard template for during X do Y is limited to one Y per X. Wihtout specific text to override that template, I would have to assume that the corruption counter would be placed at the end of the first combat (when that combat ends). A subsequent combat started by a Psyche! is a 'new combat' - and not the combat that ocurred when Cagliostro was blocked (though it is still part of the action resolution).

jibbajibba

Extending the topic slightly (and this would be a corner case). If Caglisotro were to end combat and continue as if unblocked ... ie Form of Mist. i) Would the first combat be deemed not to have occured as 'if not blocked' , so no corruption counter could be played? ii) if blocked subsequently after that combat could he play a corruption counter even if he had played one at the end of the first combat (pending conclusion of above) ?

LSJ

jibbajibba wrote: > Extending the topic slightly (and this would be a corner case). If > Caglisotro were to end combat and continue as if unblocked ... ie Form > of Mist. > > i) Would the first combat be deemed not to have occured as 'if not > blocked' , so no corruption counter could be played? He may place a corruption counter when that block-induced combat is ended by Form of Mist. After combat ends (and a corruption counter is placed or not), then the action continues as if unblocked. > ii) if blocked subsequently after that combat could he play a > corruption counter even if he had played one at the end of the first > combat (pending conclusion of above) ? Yes.

Chris Berger

Tom Duncan wrote: > > > > > If the blocking minion Psyched the combat, can I place another > > corruption counter on him at the end of combat? > > > The standard template for during X do Y is limited to one Y per X. > Wihtout specific text to override that template, I would have to assume > that the corruption counter would be placed at the end of the first > combat (when that combat ends). A subsequent combat started by a > Psyche! is a 'new combat' - and not the combat that ocurred when > Cagliostro was blocked (though it is still part of the action > resolution). Umm... I don't understand this line of reasoning. It doesn't say in the "resulting combat". It says if he is blocked and combat occurs. He can be blocked once and have multiple combats occur in the same action. Each combat is "that combat" that occurred after he was blocked (i.e. they all occur after he is blocked, all during the same action).

LSJ

[ quoted text not captured ] It also doesn't say "during the same action" nor "after he is blocked" (neither by way of setting a minion nor by way of setting a maximum to the time frame) . Unless the implied "resulting combat" is used (as is official), then once he is blocked, he can activate his special on every block that occurs for the remainder of the game.