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Tortured Confession 1 blood Only usable when the opposing vampire goes into torpor; not usable by a vampire going into torpor. Combat ends. You may look at the opposing vampire's controller's hand. Nice card! Not sure about the "combat ends" part... Combat was supposed to end anyway... What impact does this text hav? Does the opposing vampire now NOT go to torpor? Chas Giovanni Tello DOM POT Independent : When Chas announces an action, any other Methuselah can discard a master card as an out-of-turn master to cause the action to fail. Chas gets +1 strength when in combat with a titled vampire. Guess I have to find a way to use this baby without taking actions... Lots of deflections, some permanent intercept spiced up with signposts, grapples and big POT-strikes! In any case, he'll be difficult to play, but fun too! Weaknesses are advantages you have to search a little harder to find! /Henke

>===== Original Message From "Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> ===== >Tortured Confession >1 blood >Only usable when the opposing vampire goes into torpor; not usable by a >vampire going into torpor. Combat ends. You may look at the opposing >vampire's controller's hand. > >Nice card! Not sure about the "combat ends" part... Combat was supposed to >end anyway... What impact does this text hav? Does the opposing vampire now >NOT go to torpor? It ends combat. It doesn't save the opposing vampire from torpor (since nothing on card text indicates that it does). It would, for example, prevent you from Torturing your victim and then Amaranthing him. (Something that would be possible if Tortured Confession didn't explicitly end combat as part of its effect). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com

> Chas Giovanni Tello > DOM POT > Independent : When Chas announces an action, any other Methuselah can > discard a master card as an out-of-turn master to cause the action to fail. > Chas gets +1 strength when in combat with a titled vampire. > > Guess I have to find a way to use this baby without taking actions... Lots > of deflections, some permanent intercept spiced up with signposts, grapples > and big POT-strikes! In any case, he'll be difficult to play, but fun too! > Weaknesses are advantages you have to search a little harder to find! > > /Henke I'm glad they gave him such a "flaw". Another 4 with DOM means all the crypt machine decks get that much nastier... Of course it leads to such questions as: do I really want my "name master card here" or do I want to be bled for 3-7 pool? hmmm....interesting.

"Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote in message news:<9eb1hu$nhq$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>... > Tortured Confession > 1 blood > Only usable when the opposing vampire goes into torpor; not usable by a > vampire going into torpor. Combat ends. You may look at the opposing > vampire's controller's hand. > > Nice card! Not sure about the "combat ends" part... Combat was supposed to > end anyway... What impact does this text hav? Does the opposing vampire now > NOT go to torpor? > > Chas Giovanni Tello > DOM POT > Independent : When Chas announces an action, any other Methuselah can > discard a master card as an out-of-turn master to cause the action to fail. > Chas gets +1 strength when in combat with a titled vampire. > umm cool stats but...what's his capacity? LSJ: if somebody uses a master-out-of-turn to cause chas's action to fail, does that mean he's tapped? or simply canceled like direct intervention? [ quoted text not captured ]

>===== Original Message From mads...@hotmail.com (Johann) ===== >"Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote in message >> Independent : When Chas announces an action, any other Methuselah can >> discard a master card as an out-of-turn master to cause the action to fail. >> Chas gets +1 strength when in combat with a titled vampire. >> >umm cool stats but...what's his capacity? 4 >LSJ: if somebody uses a master-out-of-turn to cause chas's action to >fail, does that mean he's tapped? or simply canceled like direct >intervention? The action fails. It is not canceled - it fails (card text). He tapped to take the action [6.2.1], the action failed (card text), and nothing about his card text indicates that he is to be untapped when his actions fail, so... [ quoted text not captured ]

"Aramis" <came...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d9925496.01052...@posting.google.com... > > Chas Giovanni Tello > > DOM POT > > Independent : When Chas announces an action, any other Methuselah can > > discard a master card as an out-of-turn master to cause the action to fail. > > Chas gets +1 strength when in combat with a titled vampire. > I'm glad they gave him such a "flaw". Another 4 with DOM means all > the crypt machine decks get that much nastier... Of course it leads to > such questions as: do I really want my "name master card here" or do I > want to be bled for 3-7 pool? hmmm....interesting. You're right, this might not be so hot after all. Another 4 pointer with DOM, that spells lots more sleaze and lots more Deflections to me. What are there three 4 caps with DOM now, that's getting ugly.... but then again the DOM Dom deck will only be enhanced slightly with him (take out 1 Ingrid put in Chas I suppose?) Bit less contesting but more stopped actions with his master counter thing ?? Rob. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 07/03/01

On 21 May 2001 11:14:44 -0700, came...@hotmail.com (Aramis) wrote: >> Chas Giovanni Tello >> DOM POT >> Independent : When Chas announces an action, any other Methuselah can >> discard a master card as an out-of-turn master to cause the action to fail. >> Chas gets +1 strength when in combat with a titled vampire. >> >I'm glad they gave him such a "flaw". Another 4 with DOM means all >the crypt machine decks get that much nastier... Of course it leads to >such questions as: do I really want my "name master card here" or do I >want to be bled for 3-7 pool? hmmm....interesting. Idle note: the Crypt Machine uses 4-caps with inferior Dominate, not superior. =) 4-caps can't Govern to 4-caps. -- Derek [generic .signature file]

Would someone mind posting the Crypt Machine? Or pointing me in the right direction. I can't seem to find the deck that you are talking about. Cheers, WES

Wes <gh...@NOSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:9ec3f...@enews3.newsguy.com... > Would someone mind posting the Crypt Machine? Or pointing me in the right > direction. I can't seem to find the deck that you are talking about. Start at the VTES Atlanta site: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/intj/jpa/ Go to the deck archive page: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/intj/jpa/indexd.htm Go to Derek Ray's decks: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/intj/jpa/decks_Derek.htm Click on the first deck, The Crypt Machine: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/intj/jpa/decks/derek_TheCryptMachine.html or just scroll down: Deck name: the Crypt Machine Created by: Derek Ray Description: All weenie-dominate 4's. Skill card 'em, Govern backwards, get out people for near-free. Bleed and enjoy. ...If you encounter difficulty, try to keep in mind that even though they're 4-caps, they *are* disposable. Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 16, Max: 16, Avg: 4.00] 1 Aleph (Malkavian, 4, AU do) 1 Courtland Leighton (Ventrue, 4, do fo pr) 1 Francesca Giovanni (Giovanni, 4, do ne po) 1 Ignacio, The Black Priest (Lasombra, 4, do ot po) 1 Ignatius (Tremere, 4, au do th) 1 Laurent de Valois (Nosferatu, 4, an do ob) 1 Ramiro (Lasombra, 4, do ot vi) 1 Roland Bishop (Malkavian, 4, au do ob) 1 Sarah Cobbler (Tremere, 4, do TH) 1 Shane Grimald (Gangrel Antitribu, 4, an do po) 1 Thelonius (Tremere Antitribu, 4, au do th) 1 Violette Prentiss (Ventrue, 4, do PR) Library: (75 cards) 5 Bonding 1 Bureaucratic Overload 9 Conditioning 8 Deflection 5 Delaying Tactics 5 Dodge 8 Dominate 10 Govern the Unaligned 2 Grave Robbing 2 Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt 10 Seduction 3 Sleeping Mind, The 2 Sudden Reversal 5 Wake with Evening's Freshness

> > Idle note: the Crypt Machine uses 4-caps with inferior Dominate, not > superior. =) 4-caps can't Govern to 4-caps. I wasn't referring to an actual deck. Just a deck-design with dominate weenies. We have a version of the original "Crypt Machine" in our playgroup in Madison that uses 4's and below (not contesting much of anyone) which is why I thought another 4 with DOM would suck for me personally... Aramis [ quoted text not captured ]