I announce that I'm bleeding my prey, and before she states whether
she's blocking, I modify the bleed with a Bonding (the acting vamp
has superior Dominate). Can I use the superior version of the Bonding
card (+1 stealth, +1 bleed), even though no stealth is necessary at
this point?
I suppose it's kind of a moot point if I play the card properly -
wait for my opponent to declare blocking before I play the modification.
After they say that they're not blocking, it doesn't matter whether
I have the stealth or not. However, I can envision the above scenario
happening when someone is really eager to do the bleed.
This sounds somewhat similar to me to that Xth tradition card, which
allows a tapped prince to block with intercept - the card can't be
used if the intercept isn't needed.
--
Jeremy (bea...@oneworld.owt.com, bea...@netcom.com)
In article <4qv53k$t...@paperboy.owt.com>,
509) 735-0408 (Jeremy York <beanish@One World Telecom.> wrote:
>I announce that I'm bleeding my prey, and before she states whether
>she's blocking, I modify the bleed with a Bonding (the acting vamp
>has superior Dominate). Can I use the superior version of the Bonding
>card (+1 stealth, +1 bleed), even though no stealth is necessary at
>this point?
No. You may never play an action modifier to give a minion stealth
unless that minion is the acting minion and there is a current block attempt
with intercept >= the acting minion's stealth.
>This sounds somewhat similar to me to that Xth tradition card, which
>allows a tapped prince to block with intercept - the card can't be
>used if the intercept isn't needed.
That's correct.
On 27 Jun 1996 23:22:28 GMT, beanish@One World Telecom. (509) 735-0408
(Jeremy York) wrote:
>I announce that I'm bleeding my prey, and before she states whether
>she's blocking, I modify the bleed with a Bonding (the acting vamp
>has superior Dominate). Can I use the superior version of the Bonding
>card (+1 stealth, +1 bleed), even though no stealth is necessary at
>this point?
Must use the inferior version.
>I suppose it's kind of a moot point if I play the card properly -
>wait for my opponent to declare blocking before I play the modification.
>After they say that they're not blocking, it doesn't matter whether
>I have the stealth or not. However, I can envision the above scenario
>happening when someone is really eager to do the bleed.
Both are of course true and certainly possible.
>This sounds somewhat similar to me to that Xth tradition card, which
>allows a tapped prince to block with intercept - the card can't be
>used if the intercept isn't needed.
Yep it does.
>--
>Jeremy (bea...@oneworld.owt.com, bea...@netcom.com)
The Ref at refp...@best.com
L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) wrote:
: In article <4qv53k$t...@paperboy.owt.com>,: 509) 735-0408 (Jeremy York <beanish@One World Telecom.> wrote:
: >I announce that I'm bleeding my prey, and before she states whether
: >she's blocking, I modify the bleed with a Bonding (the acting vamp
: >has superior Dominate). Can I use the superior version of the Bonding
: >card (+1 stealth, +1 bleed), even though no stealth is necessary at
: >this point?: No. You may never play an action modifier to give a minion stealth: unless that minion is the acting minion and there is a current block attempt
: with intercept >= the acting minion's stealth.
Umm, I fail to see where this ruling is, for it is in neither the rules
for V:TES or Jyhad, nor is it in any FAQ I have read. There is nothing to
prevent an action modifier card from being played as an action is played.
In fact, an example of play within the rules themselves indicates that you
can indeed play such a stealth reaction card.
There are two examples of play after the Stealth and Intercept section,
the second one states:
"Your predator declares that his vampire Tiberius is bleeding you, and
plays a card that increases Tiberius's stealth to 1. Cassandra is
untapped, and you have a card that can increase Cassandra's intercept
number by one."
It is not always the best tactic to use such action modifiers right away,
but there is nothing that says you cannot. We usually do so to prevent a
longer game as preys attempt to figure out who will block when we know
very well that they will.
You may only play one such card to raise stealth, as your opponent will
only have a 0 intercept to begin with, despite cards which may affect a
minion.
If there has been a ruling otherwise, I would like to see it, for it would
seem to be rather pointless and unneccessarily confusing. Otherwise, I
hope this helps clear up things.
Chris, thinking on how best to make a "Screw the Camarilla" Deck :)
On 29 Jun 1996 15:20:12 GMT, yu12...@yorku.ca (Julianne Jolie) wrote:
>: No. You may never play an action modifier to give a minion stealth
>: unless that minion is the acting minion and there is a current block attempt
>: with intercept >= the acting minion's stealth.>Umm, I fail to see where this ruling is, for it is in neither the rules
>for V:TES or Jyhad, nor is it in any FAQ I have read. There is nothing to
>prevent an action modifier card from being played as an action is played.
>In fact, an example of play within the rules themselves indicates that you
>can indeed play such a stealth reaction card.
page 40 of V:tes
)and its even emphasied by highlighting it.)
I do not have a Jhyad book around which I believe was clearer but this
has also been given several rulings.
Rory
The Ref at refp...@best.com
yu12...@yorku.ca (Julianne Jolie) writes:
>L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) wrote:
>: No. You may never play an action modifier to give a minion stealth
>: unless that minion is the acting minion and there is a current block attempt
>: with intercept >= the acting minion's stealth.>Umm, I fail to see where this ruling is, for it is in neither the rules
>for V:TES or Jyhad, nor is it in any FAQ I have read. There is nothing to
>prevent an action modifier card from being played as an action is played.
>In fact, an example of play within the rules themselves indicates that you
>can indeed play such a stealth reaction card.
It is in the "corrected" VtES rules:
From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu
Subject: [VtES][PR] Full Rulebook, 1 of 2
Date: 28 Sep 1995 09:18:37 +0100
Message-ID: <44dlot$1...@acorn.acorn.co.uk>
CORRECTIONS TO THE V:TES RULEBOOK
Section 17 Stealth and Intercept
You may not increase a minion's stealth unless another minion is
attempting to block, and you need to overcome that minion's intercept.
Similarly, you may not increase a minion's intercept unless it is trying to
block a minion whose stealth is higher.
--
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http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | You will be nauseated.
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L. Scott Johnson wrote:
>
> In article <4qv53k$t...@paperboy.owt.com>,
> 509) 735-0408 (Jeremy York <beanish@One World Telecom.> wrote:
> >I announce that I'm bleeding my prey, and before she states whether
> >she's blocking, I modify the bleed with a Bonding (the acting vamp
> >has superior Dominate). Can I use the superior version of the Bonding
> >card (+1 stealth, +1 bleed), even though no stealth is necessary at
> >this point?
>> No. You may never play an action modifier to give a minion stealth
> unless that minion is the acting minion and there is a current block attempt
> with intercept >= the acting minion's stealth.
>> >This sounds somewhat similar to me to that Xth tradition card, which
> >allows a tapped prince to block with intercept - the card can't be
> >used if the intercept isn't needed.
>> That's correct.I dissagree regardless of rulings, the card states that it is usable by a
tapped prince or Justicar the vampire untaps and attempts to block and
gets +2 interecept if needed. thats the way I see it,a wwef for princes
and justicars with a +2 intercept built in.
Errol T