[DECK] The Speedkings

Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). This time it´s princes instead. Again, its mostly a casual play deck – not really competative. Trouble for the deck is of course IG. And Drawing Out the Beast. And Carrion Crows. Any replys are welcome! Crypt: 3 Menele (To speed things up) 2 Lucas Halton (Great special ability. Prince.) 3 Fleurdumal (Sure, only tha, but otherwise nice. Prince.) 2 Javier Montoya (Prince.) 2 Anastazi Zagreb (Justicar.) (Really powerful crypt. Although the deck only utilizes thaumaturgy, celerity and some auspex (for Nose), all vampires in the crypt except Fleurdumal possess dominate, all except Halton and Zagreb got presence and all except Menele (who is a very sneaky character) holds 2 or 3 votes!) Masters (18): 4 Information Highway 4 Celerity 2 Heidelburg Castle (To move blood and make retainers and equipment work overtime.) 5 Blood Doll (Must have more pool, more pooooool!) 2 The Rack (Abuse with Mr Menele.) 1 Socierty of Leopold (Hahaaaa! Buuuuuurn!) Actions and equipment (15): 8 Nose of the Hound (Some of these could be Bums Rush or Harass.) 2 IR Goggles 1 Rutors Hand 1 Judgement: Camarilla Segregation (Never leave home without it!) 1 JS Simmons Esq 1 Tasha Morgan 1 Laptop Computor (Much to consider here. Could use Pulse, but it can´t be moved by Heidelberg, the vamps are so fat you need to make every bleed that gets through at least a 2. The deck could, if you find some space, include some votes, like Parity Shift – combo with Highway.) Combat (44): 19 Theft of Vitae 10 Pursuit 6 Blur 7 Sideslip 2 Psyche! (Depending on how much S:CE it´s in the local enviroment.) (Not sure how much of what. Play and you guys will tell I hope.) Reactions (13): 9 Second Tradition: The Domain (Add some static intecept and some of these could be Wakes.) 4 Deflection Regards, Ashur

"Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. > > Regards, > Ashur Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

Kevin M. wrote: > "Henrik Klippström" wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > >Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > >more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. Does this mean we can't play Euro-Brujah princes anymore? ;) Seriously, it wouldn't be an issue if you didn't reply to it. You need to chill, switch to decaf. :) Flux

> "Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. > > > > > Regards, > > Ashur > > Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA) LOOOOOOOOOOOL! Hey, that was mainly considered a joke (ie the assamites is out of the deck). I only want some comments on my deck, and not insulting a nation who can´t count votes and chooses a president who is as smart as the tip of his fathers index finger. Too bad you had no such comments Kevin. Hope somebody else has.

On 11 Feb 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Henrik Klippström wrote: > LOOOOOOOOOOOL! Hey, that was mainly considered a joke (ie the > assamites is out of the deck). I only want some comments on my deck, > and not insulting a nation who can´t count votes and chooses a > president who is as smart as the tip of his fathers index finger. Too > bad you had no such comments Kevin. Hope somebody else has. Making broad statements about someone's character based upon their nationality is obnoxious! And stupid! If you weren't Scandanavian this would be obvious to you. David Cherryholmes Prince of Durham, NC

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<kX32a.31323$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>... > "Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. Same thing about bullshit politics in general (this include US-bullshit politics, iraqi-bullshit politics, and so on...). Henrik : times are hard. And people get nervous. Use your tongue wisely, it could hurt somebody sometimes (not me...). The most innocent joke can easily be misunderstood. Be careful. Kevin : You have the right to be polite. It were not forbidden by any rules of netiquette, how far I can remember. Use your right, and don't forget yours responsibilities. May the force be with you. KS

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. """"""""""""" So you're saying that *Europeans* should not talk politics in this NG? Shouldn't that be: "Let's keep *politics* of this GAMING newsgroup"?

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<kX32a.31323$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>... > "Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. Let's keep ALL bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup, other than can be callen by VTES (political) cards and bloodhunts. I'm not sure why we should single out the 'Euro' in this case. This is my last post in this thread. Tobias Deventer

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<kX32a.31323$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] If there was bullshit, it was the president's. Fine show to aggravate the allies you still have and to hand them an enemy they didn't choose. Sure, I live in the States, but it hasn't yet made me blind. Over and out. It *is* a gaming newsgroup, after all. Patrick Columbus, OH

[many] wrote: [off-topic useless one-up faux-political rants] OK, guys. Let's move on, shall we? Follow ups redirected accordingly. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<kX32a.31323$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>... > "Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. Indeed, seconded. For a taste of how badly astray not heeding the above advice can lead a newsgroup, check out alt.games.diablo. Legbiter, a fully paid-up European.

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<kX32a.31323$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>... > "Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. > > > > > Regards, > > Ashur > > Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA) I don't think that the retarded president part was nice either, but why do you tell that European politics is bullshit in this newsgroup. It IS a GAMING newsgroup, you said it yourself. -Antero

On 11 Feb 2003, Henrik Klippström wrote: > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). This time > it´s princes instead. Again, its mostly a casual play deck – not > really competative. Trouble for the deck is of course IG. And Drawing > Out the Beast. And Carrion Crows. Any replys are welcome! Hah! I guess you didn't really mean that last line. Anyway, thought I'd offer you a few thoughts so your time isn't completely wasted with this post. > Crypt: > 3 Menele (To speed things up) > 2 Lucas Halton (Great special ability. Prince.) > 3 Fleurdumal (Sure, only tha, but otherwise nice. Prince.) > 2 Javier Montoya (Prince.) > 2 Anastazi Zagreb (Justicar.) > (Really powerful crypt. Although the deck only utilizes thaumaturgy, > celerity and some auspex (for Nose), all vampires in the crypt except > Fleurdumal possess dominate, all except Halton and Zagreb got presence > and all except Menele (who is a very sneaky character) holds 2 or 3 > votes!) Speaking of all those votes, how about throwing in a few Anathema? That's the perfect card to make this "just-for-fun" deck a little more fun. Also you might consider a Brujah Justicar for Menele so he can play the 2nd Traditions. > Masters (18): Seems like too many masters for a deck like this to me. You might play 6-7 cards in a combat and end up with nothing but masters in your hand. You should add a Dreams of the Sphinx at least. > 4 Information Highway Maybe Zillah's Valley would be better? 4 Infos means you get to play 1 and discard 3. > 4 Celerity Lucas and Menele already have the goods. I'd drop this to 2. > 2 Heidelburg Castle (To move blood and make retainers and equipment > work overtime.) Useful, but is it important enough to have 2? 1 should be enough. > 5 Blood Doll (Must have more pool, more pooooool!) > 2 The Rack (Abuse with Mr Menele.) Again, I'd probably only use 1. > 1 Socierty of Leopold (Hahaaaa! Buuuuuurn!) > > Actions and equipment (15): > 8 Nose of the Hound (Some of these could be Bums Rush or Harass.) I'd probably replace 3 of them with Bum's Rush just in case there's an untapped vamp you want to kill. > 2 IR Goggles > 1 Rutors Hand Another might be a good idea. Magic of the Smith to get them or is your "bruise & get stuff" strategy sure to scare off blockers? > 1 Judgement: Camarilla Segregation (Never leave home without it!) > 1 JS Simmons Esq > 1 Tasha Morgan > 1 Laptop Computor > (Much to consider here. Could use Pulse, but it can´t be moved by > Heidelberg, the vamps are so fat you need to make every bleed that > gets through at least a 2. The deck could, if you find some space, > include some votes, like Parity Shift – combo with Highway.) 7 of your 12 crypt slots can play Conditioning. I'd put a couple in. > Combat (44): > 19 Theft of Vitae > 10 Pursuit > 6 Blur > 7 Sideslip > 2 Psyche! (Depending on how much S:CE it´s in the local enviroment.) > (Not sure how much of what. Play and you guys will tell I hope.) I'd use a little more Psyche! for my group. Otherwise looks pretty good. Maybe squeeze in a Walk of Flame or two for the old coup de grace? Obviously you'd need more presses or maybe Telepathic Tracking. Some of the Pursuits could become Flashes. You don't have much card cycling. How about adding Infernal Pursuit? > Reactions (13): > 9 Second Tradition: The Domain (Add some static intecept and some of > these could be Wakes.) > 4 Deflection Looks okay to me, although I played a deck last week that relied on 2nds for defense only to be preyed upon by a Seduction/Elder Impersonation deck. Gah. Have a blast. I keep wanting to build a deck with Menele or Lucas Halton or both but playing with such big vamps gives me panic attacks. :) -Matt Ha. I beat up one of your weenies before you ousted me!

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<kX32a.31323$LW1.1...@news1.west.cox.net>... > "Henrik Klippström" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com... > > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). > > Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. Actually, there are plenty of Americans like myself who feel similarly. But I agree, let's keep on topic.

> Let's keep the Euro-bullshit politics off of this GAMING newsgroup. What about the Yank-bullshit politics then? :)

as...@hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Klippstr=F6m?=) wrote in message news:<5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] If I wanted to comment on your deck I'd say something like this: Your crypt is to big for a combat deck, your combat strategy is outmoded and obsolete, especially considering that your crypt isn't disposable, (ie you die to to many common combat/combat D strategies), If you're paying for all that DOM/PRE/Votes use it for more than 4 Deflections and a Cammy Seg you only have 5 blood dolls for pool gain so you'll be bleed out by anyone with an ounce (0.02835 Kilograms) of bleed. and 2 Psyche isn't going to stand up to even the most paper tiger of S:CE. Even with the untaps you spend to much time equipping. Oh, and Lisette Vizquel hates you. (and all CEL/THA decks) But I can't get past the fact that you decided to mock the politics of another country for S+Giggles in a gaming newsgroup. There are places for that, and this ain't one of them. While I know Kevin and I disagree about a lot of politics in this country, we don't do it at tournements, and quite frankly I'm glad he called you on it. Granted, Euro-bullshit is a bit strong, considering 18 european contries seem to remember that collective security = good, and appeasment = bad, so we'll see if Kevin corrects his broad general statement of Euro-bullshit, I expect that he will, if anyone bothers to look at this stupid thread again. Cameron Domer

as...@hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Klippstr=F6m?=) wrote in message news:<5a3b0aea.03021...@posting.google.com>... > Hi all you sumprunkare! Here is a remake of my old bloodthief-deck. No > more arabs (a retarded president said they are terrorists). This time > it´s princes instead. Again, its mostly a casual play deck – not > really competative. Trouble for the deck is of course IG. And Drawing > Out the Beast. And Carrion Crows. Any replys are welcome! To get this back into the original subject. > > Crypt: > 3 Menele (To speed things up) > 2 Lucas Halton (Great special ability. Prince.) > 3 Fleurdumal (Sure, only tha, but otherwise nice. Prince.) > 2 Javier Montoya (Prince.) > 2 Anastazi Zagreb (Justicar.) > (Really powerful crypt. Although the deck only utilizes thaumaturgy, > celerity and some auspex (for Nose), all vampires in the crypt except > Fleurdumal possess dominate, all except Halton and Zagreb got presence > and all except Menele (who is a very sneaky character) holds 2 or 3 > votes!) > > Masters (18): > 4 Information Highway > 4 Celerity > 2 Heidelburg Castle (To move blood and make retainers and equipment > work overtime.) > 5 Blood Doll (Must have more pool, more pooooool!) > 2 The Rack (Abuse with Mr Menele.) > 1 Socierty of Leopold (Hahaaaa! Buuuuuurn!) 18 masters in a combat deck seems a bit harsh, but you use quite a few doubles. See below :) remove the society. > > Actions and equipment (15): > 8 Nose of the Hound (Some of these could be Bums Rush or Harass.) > 2 IR Goggles > 1 Rutors Hand > 1 Judgement: Camarilla Segregation (Never leave home without it!) > 1 JS Simmons Esq > 1 Tasha Morgan > 1 Laptop Computor > (Much to consider here. Could use Pulse, but it can´t be moved by > Heidelberg, the vamps are so fat you need to make every bleed that > gets through at least a 2. The deck could, if you find some space, > include some votes, like Parity Shift – combo with Highway.) well i'm no fan of laptops IR goggles and J:CS, scrap em :) put in another rutor's hand to make those big vamps almost useful. > > Combat (44): > 19 Theft of Vitae > 10 Pursuit > 6 Blur > 7 Sideslip > 2 Psyche! (Depending on how much S:CE it´s in the local enviroment.) > (Not sure how much of what. Play and you guys will tell I hope.) put in 4 infernal pursuits to get rid of the double masters, also they often come in handy just to enhance both combat and bleed. 4 might even be a bit on the low side. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Janne HG Hägglund" <jhag...@siba.fi> wrote in message news:2bade41e.03021...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] If any Americans in the last 4 years I've been on this GAMING newsgroup were stupid enough to start posting about US politics, I'd say the same thing to them. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Flux" <fl...@netc.pt> wrote in message news:b2ap2r$1a7lo0$1...@ID-121674.news.dfncis.de... [ quoted text not captured ] It's an issue because this is a GAMING newsgroup! How hard is that to understand? It's like going into a room filled with people, and on the door is a sign that says "THIS ROOM IS FOR TALKING ABOUT THE VAMPIRE: THE ETERNAL STRUGGLE COLLECTIBLE CARD GAME", and yet you walk into the room and start talking about a retarded President. > > Flux [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] It was NOT mainly considered a joke, as there were emotional issues involved in your statement (you believe he is "retarded"). Too bad you're too stupid to not be able to keep your mouth shut about politics on a GAMING newsgroup. Maybe people would have been commenting on your deck instead of commenting on your foolishness. Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] I would keep the society... keep you in vote goodness... Drop 2 celerity and 2 infomation highways... And add 2 minion taps... and only 1 rack... > > > > > Actions and equipment (15): > > 8 Nose of the Hound (Some of these could be Bums Rush or Harass.) > > 2 IR Goggles > > 1 Rutors Hand > > 1 Judgement: Camarilla Segregation (Never leave home without it!) > > 1 JS Simmons Esq > > 1 Tasha Morgan > > 1 Laptop Computor > > (Much to consider here. Could use Pulse, but it can´t be moved by > > Heidelberg, the vamps are so fat you need to make every bleed that > > gets through at least a 2. The deck could, if you find some space, > > include some votes, like Parity Shift – combo with Highway.) > > well i'm no fan of laptops IR goggles and J:CS, scrap em :) > put in another rutor's hand to make those big vamps almost useful. Agreed, ice the laptop, J:CS... But keep the ir goggles... another rutors and maybe a Leather jacket... > > > > Combat (44): > > 19 Theft of Vitae > > 10 Pursuit > > 6 Blur > > 7 Sideslip > > 2 Psyche! (Depending on how much S:CE it´s in the local enviroment.) > > (Not sure how much of what. Play and you guys will tell I hope.) > > put in 4 infernal pursuits to get rid of the double masters, also they > often come in handy just to enhance both combat and bleed. 4 might > even be a bit on the low side. no psyche! but a few Prefect Clarity would be a good idea... Not so many sideslips, try a few Preternatural Evasion... You need to S:CE yourself... > > Reactions (13): > > 9 Second Tradition: The Domain (Add some static intecept and some of > > these could be Wakes.) > > 4 Deflection Guess this will depend on your group... You might want to add some votes/prince cards... Add Blood hunts, Anathema, 3rd tradition and 6th tradition... Nothing cooler then voting anathema on a 10 cap, untap with rutor's, and nose them and gaining 10 pool after the fight... 6th is for the times your vampire is in torpor... you know somebody will probably eat it.. (since all yoru vampires are nice and juicy... I have a similar deck... I had 5 vampire eatten in a game... (But still had 4 out, and plenty of pool... Menele is the BOMB, he came out 3 times... Eatten twice...) This deck kinda stalls when the vampires near you are all out of blood... Something I learned was... This deck runs through cards fast... Once I had nothing left but 2 .44 (which I added instead of the ir googles, so I can still send vampires to torpor at range...)