[LSJ]Clan Impersonation

Can I choose a Bloodline for Clan Impersonation? Can I choose Daughters of Cacophony or Ahrimanes for a male vampire?

On 19 Nov 2004 00:38:41 -0800, Ector <Ec...@mail.ru> wrote: > Can I choose a Bloodline for Clan Impersonation? Can I choose > Daughters of Cacophony or Ahrimanes for a male vampire? Yes. In fact, one of the Daughters is supposedly not *really* a femme... ;) Vampires are masters of transdressing. -- Bye, Daneel

Ector <Ec...@mail.ru> wrote: > Can I choose a Bloodline for Clan Impersonation? Can I choose > Daughters of Cacophony or Ahrimanes for a male vampire? The only "group" of vampires that has its own symbol, and is not considered a Clan, is Caitiff. You can't Clan Impersonate to Caitiff, but any other Clan or Bloodline (including Pander) is fair game.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. (ObWoD: Vampires are neither male nor female -- they reproduce asexually, so they are effectively gender neutral). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <UEknd.117127$HA.39331@attbi_s01>, Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> writes: >You can't Clan Impersonate to Caitiff, >but any other Clan or Bloodline (including Pander) is fair game. It may also help to remember that there is no distinction (in Jyhad rules terms) between a clan and a bloodline. All of the clans represented in the Bloodlines expansion are real clans. The WoD distinctions between clan and bloodline and such aren't represented in Jyhad. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Who's ever heard of that, though! EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 Designing a deck that just calls votes. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D That's crazy talk, there.

Does Clan Impersonation to Daughters of Cacophony removes any Camarilla or Sabbat titles, if they were? The vampire becomes Independent or not?

In message <d6c82c73.04112...@posting.google.com>, Ector [ quoted text not captured ] If you clan impersonate to DoC *and change clan in the process*[0], then you get the default sect of that clan. If you were carrying a Writ of Acceptance, say, that would over-write it. It becomes your usual sect, though. Whenever you are the "wrong" sect for a title you have, that title is suspended entirely. You can't affect it or use it or reference it in any way. If you go back to being an appropriate sect/clan for it, it reactivates. If, in the meantime, someone else would be about to contest that title, you immediately yield it and they get it. So, Queen Anne Clan Impersonating to DoC becomes independent, DoC and her Prince title is entirely ignored. When I call Praxis Seizure: London with Gideon Fontaine, it passes and he becomes Prince of London. Queen Anne immediately forfeits any rights to Prince of London if she ever burns the Clan Impersonation. Had Gideon not done this, she could burn the CI and regain the praxis and normal clan etc. But since Gideon has now forced her to forfeit it, even if Gideon goes away, Queen Anne won't get it back when she burns the CI. [0] This doesn't work if you do something like Clan Impersonate Lucita (normal) to Lasombra. She stays Independent, because she didn't change clan. Yes, you can play CI -> Anything else, then CI her back to Lasombra. If you're very sick and wrong. [ quoted text not captured ]

> >> Can I choose a Bloodline for Clan Impersonation? Can I choose > >> Daughters of Cacophony or Ahrimanes for a male vampire? > > > > Yes. In fact, one of the Daughters is supposedly not *really* a femme... ;) > > > > Vampires are masters of transdressing. > > Correct. > (ObWoD: Vampires are neither male nor female -- they reproduce > asexually, so they are effectively gender neutral). > Sociobiologically speaking, gender is reserved for perceived social norms (masculine vs. feminine) and sex for reproductive function (male vs. female). Vampires have gender, but not sex.

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > [0] This doesn't work if you do something like Clan Impersonate Lucita > (normal) to Lasombra. She stays Independent, because she didn't change > clan. Yes, you can play CI -> Anything else, then CI her back to > Lasombra. If you're very sick and wrong. Actually, if you Clan Impersonate Lucita to some other clan, and then she burns the Clan Impersonation card with its inherent action, she becomes Sabbat. Not sick and wrong really. If intentional, all it takes is a Freak Drive. But also something annoying to do when you steal her with whatever temporary theft effect you want. If you Derange her, and then she burns the Derange, she will also be Sabbat. Any change in clan (even if it is "back to normal") takes on the Default Sect.