Undue Influence phrasing [LSJ]

+1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch. Choose a vampire in your uncontrolled region. [chi] (D) Move 1 blood from a vampire in any uncontrolled region to the chosen vampire. [pre] (D) Bleed. If the bleed is successful, put 1 blood counter on the chosen vampire. [qui] Put one blood counter on the chosen vampire. If the number of counters equals or exceeds his or her capacity, move that vampire to your ready region. The "If" part seems to apply only to the Qui version, or doesn't it ? If it does, you need to add other counters from your pool to influence a vamp into play ? Thanks, Orpheus

Orpheus a écrit : > +1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch. Choose a vampire in your > uncontrolled region. [chi] (D) Move 1 blood from a vampire in any > uncontrolled region to the chosen vampire. [pre] (D) Bleed. If the bleed > is successful, put 1 blood counter on the chosen vampire. [qui] Put one > blood counter on the chosen vampire. If the number of counters equals or > exceeds his or her capacity, move that vampire to your ready region. > > The "If" part seems to apply only to the Qui version, or doesn't it ? yes :) > If it does, you need to add other counters from your pool to influence a > vamp into play ? well i don't understand your question. :) If you have a 5 cap with 4 pool on it and succesfuly play a quietus undue influence on him, he is moved to your ready region when the action is succesful. If it's what you wanted to know, then fine.

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Orpheus a écrit : > > +1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch. Choose a vampire in your > > uncontrolled region. [chi] (D) Move 1 blood from a vampire in any > > uncontrolled region to the chosen vampire. [pre] (D) Bleed. If the bleed > > is successful, put 1 blood counter on the chosen vampire. [qui] Put one > > blood counter on the chosen vampire. If the number of counters equals or > > exceeds his or her capacity, move that vampire to your ready region. > > > > The "If" part seems to apply only to the Qui version, or doesn't it ? > > yes :) The "If the bleed is successful" part applies to the pre part (per card text). The "If the number of counters" part applies to the qui part (per card text). > > If it does, you need to add other counters from your pool to influence a > > vamp into play ? > > well i don't understand your question. :) > > If you have a 5 cap with 4 pool on it and succesfuly play a quietus > undue influence on him, he is moved to your ready region when the action > is succesful. If it's what you wanted to know, then fine. Correct. If the qui version is successful then you put a counter on the target. If the target is then full, you move him to the ready region. If he is not then full, you do not move him (you cannot add more counters from your pool or from the blood bank at action resolution). You may add more counters during your influence phase, or with Govern the Unaligned, etc. per normal (and it would then check for fullness and come out to the ready region only at the end of your influence phase, as usual). -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (Remove spam trap to reply). V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

> > If you have a 5 cap with 4 pool on it and succesfuly play a quietus > > undue influence on him, he is moved to your ready region when the action > > is succesful. If it's what you wanted to know, then fine. > > Correct. > If the qui version is successful then you put a counter on the target. If > the target is then full, you move him to the ready region. If he is not > then full, you do not move him (you cannot add more counters from your > pool or from the blood bank at action resolution). You may add more counters > during your influence phase, or with Govern the Unaligned, etc. per normal > (and it would then check for fullness and come out to the ready region > only at the end of your influence phase, as usual). What exactly is the advantage of having the vampire enter the ready region in your minion phase? Or am I assuming a rule that doesn't exist (that it can't act rightaway, like freshly recruited allies and progenies).

[ quoted text not captured ] Some progenies can act right away, and they say so. It is usually a hunt action. Allies go to your uncontrolled region and leave it at the end of your influence phase, therefore unable to act the turn that they come in to play. If a vampire enters your ready region before the end of your minion phase, then it can act (if you wish it to). There is no (dare I say it) "summoning sickness" therefore allowing stolen vampires to act, and now, a vampire that becomes controlled from uncontrolled, which I believe has never been possible before. So, a big advantage. Of course, you need to be playing some Quietus, which I personally don't, but will have to think of the possibility. I just use the Presence version. Bleed at +1 stealth (by default of the action) and gain either a pool or free transfer. It rocks. Andy VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge.

[ quoted text not captured ] It can act. There is no summoning sickness. John

jnew...@difsol.com wrote: >> What exactly is the advantage of having the vampire enter the ready >> region in your minion phase? Or am I assuming a rule that doesn't > exist >> (that it can't act rightaway, like freshly recruited allies and >> progenies). > It can act. There is no summoning sickness. Please note that if you play Undue Influence at [qui] on Sonja Blue, and it causes her to come into your ready region during the minion phase, you do not gain 4 pool :)

Slytherin wrote: [snip] OH MY.....HE SAID IT!!!! HE WROTE THE WORDS THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN!!!!! ;-) Andrea

On 5 Apr 2005 07:20:35 -0700, andrea....@infinito.it scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] despite the joke, i am SO with you there. i hate it when people say 'oh, it's like [phrase from magic]'. That's just not the Jyhad way. we're BETTER than magic players. like pc users are better than mac users. ;) salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:22:43 +1000, salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote: > like pc users are better than mac users. ;) Isn't that supposed to be the other way around? -- Bye, Daneel

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:54:35 GMT, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] no, mac users just THINK they're better than pc users. pc users are ACTUALLY better people. in all aspects of their life. even their child-bearing hips are better. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] i think you are right and the reason is that a mac user will never never star even to think at the enormous, gigantic (and in searching another word i came to think at the definition of Univers in the Hitchhiker guide to the galaxy) amount of work needed to be able to run -barely- a pc. Now someone said that genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.. ERGO PC users are geniuses Q.E.D. Andrea

Slytherin wrote: > > If a vampire enters your ready region before the end of your minion > phase, then it can act (if you wish it to). There is no (dare I say it) > "summoning sickness" therefore allowing stolen vampires to act, and > now, a vampire that becomes controlled from uncontrolled, which I > believe has never been possible before. > Well, Soul Gem of Etrius lets a vampire come into controlled from your crypt, and Possession/Daemonic Possession let a vampire become controlled from the ash heap (both of which are "uncontrolled). But yeah, the first two cards which let a vampire come into play from your uncontrolled region, outside of the influence phase, are Undue Influence [qui] and Web of Knives Recruit, IIRC. Go-go speed-breeding Assamites.