Grrr... Draught of the Soul

Okay, I have searched far and wide for the AUS/QUI Draught of the Soul and I am unable to find this card anywhere to trade/purchase. About 3 boxes of bloodlines and not a single one. Anyone interested in trade? Or perhaps some link where I can get one? Thanks, Adam

adam....@ngc.com wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I feel your pain. http://search.ebay.com/draught-of-the-soul_W0QQsojsZ1QQfromZR40 Note that when diverzions.com had some, they went for $5. Expect to pay more. --Colin McGuigan

hi there, just saw your post- 3 boxes of bloodlines??? i have 2 draughts-can you spare any shroad of absences(obtenebration) in return? my name is nick watkins-prince of nyc..very reliable and well known player/trader over the years- havent actually traded for stuff in the past yea+r-too busy..but thought i would drop you a line to help out.. please get back to me when you can thanks nick [ quoted text not captured ]

nick wrote: > hi there, > just saw your post- > 3 boxes of bloodlines??? I bought about 5 boxes of bloodlines, and I can say that I did not find any copy of that card. Neither Engling Fury, Blissful Agony, Defender of the Haven, The Wildebeest, Resurrection, Nightmare Curse, Mark V or High Top. So I think that something is wrong with card distribution in bloodlines... or at least my boxes. Papipo.

Papipo wrote: I bought about 5 boxes of bloodlines, and I can say that I did not find any copy of that card. Neither Engling Fury, Blissful Agony, Defender of the Haven, The Wildebeest, Resurrection, Nightmare Curse, Mark V or High Top. So I think that something is wrong with card distribution in bloodlines... or at least my boxes. That's why people buy singles, buy some singles. Though what you are saying is rather peculiar... I mean you OUGHT to have found some of these... Anyway, for juicy bloodline stuff check The Lasombra's site, right now there are not many good stuff left, so you should be quick and order when he opens boxes and has many stuff. I remember buying an Engling Fury (3$), along with several cards, some days ago. I even remember him having 1 Draught of the Soul at good price (3-4$ i don't remember exactly), but i didn't bought it, as i have 4 and right now i don't think that i need more. If Tariq advanced comes out and he is a monster! (increased capacity) then maybe we'll all start looking for more ;) Anyway, Lasombra's prices are better than ebay and that's why he runs out of stuff quickly... i mean i bought 1 Shroud of Absence for $5 and 2 Armor of Terra for 3$ each. At ebay, talking about average prices these cards sell at least at double price than these prices. The guy is a God!!! I am not his friend or anything and what i am talking about deprives of a vast experience of 23 ebay buys (500$) and other single buying (300$). This guy has the best prices i have ever seen... George

Papipo wrote: I bought about 5 boxes of bloodlines, and I can say that I did not find any copy of that card. Neither Engling Fury, Blissful Agony, Defender of the Haven, The Wildebeest, Resurrection, Nightmare Curse, Mark V or High Top. So I think that something is wrong with card distribution in bloodlines... or at least my boxes. [ quoted text not captured ]

>I bought about 5 boxes of bloodlines, and I can say that I did not find >any copy of that card. Neither Engling Fury, Blissful Agony, Defender >of the Haven, The Wildebeest, Resurrection, Nightmare Curse, Mark V or >High Top. So I think that something is wrong with card distribution in >bloodlines... or at least my boxes. I was missing a fair number of cards until box 5. Bloodlines had a ridiculous rarity scheme, having the 40 R1s, far too many of which shouldn't have been rare at all. >That's why people buy singles, buy some singles. Unless you just want to complete a set or you have a limited ability to trade or sell cards or you live outside the US, more boxes is way more cost efficient even if all you want are rares.

"Papipo" <pap...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1106640930....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Not really. In the rare slot in Bloodlines some cards were R1s, some were R2s. The incidence of R1s is 1-in-100 packs. The incidence of R2s, as the designation suggests, is 2-in-100 packs. Five boxes is 180 packs if I recall correctly. So it's unfortunate that you didn't receive any given R1 but far from unusual. All the cards on your list, including Draught of the Soul, are R1s. Fred

Curevei wrote: Unless you just want to complete a set or you have a limited ability to trade or sell cards or you live outside the US, more boxes is way more cost efficient even if all you want are rares. I do not agree... Some rares cannot be found even in 5 boxes of SW or especialy bloodlines, so instead of getting a lot of useless cards, i prefer to buy them as singles. e.g. recently in 2 CE boxes i found 1 Golconda and i am even happy that there were one in them. I now have 6, so if i only had 1 and wanted to go to 6, then i would have bought it as a single or bought at least 10 CE boxes. Golconda in ebay can be found at about $8 (6-10), but i even managed to get one, some months ago, for only about $3. Additionaly, i live outside the US, but in about 1 year of immense trading, i managed to trade a lot of stuff all over the world, more than 60-70 trades. But trading over the internet requires devotion and a lot of time. Buying singles is way better for me and allows me to manage my collection the way i like it. I mean, i need 6 Golconda and i have 6, i need 10 Mind Rape and i have 10. Do you know how many SW boxes i should have opened before i got 10 ??? For example, i have opened 5 SW boxes and found not a single Mind Rape. The 10 Mind Rapes i know have, were obtained: 3 from trades, 5 for $5-6 each and the last 2 for $10 each. If i ever wish to sell them (i speak hypotheticaly, i believe that i will never sell my collection), with todays standards, i will not sell them (i mean all 10) for less than 120euro or $150 and i am sure that i can sell them even at this price, all that it takes is patience. George

[ quoted text not captured ] If that ratio is correct, don't you see the problem with this set? Some above said that there are 40 R1 in the set. It seems almost impossible to get some of these cards. I am mentioning this because the one thing I've heard about this game compared to other card games is that ones "cash flow" does not have as big as effect on the game. Granted, these cards are not needed to play but still, to me, with those odds you just gave me, it seems not worth it anymore to buy bloodlines. Not sure where I am going with this (my post is all over the place)... oh well, nevermind then.

<adam....@ngc.com> wrote in message news:1106667674....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Frederick Scott wrote: > > Not really. In the rare slot in Bloodlines some cards were R1s, some > > were R2s. The incidence of R1s is 1-in-100 packs. The incidence of > R2s, > > as the designation suggests, is 2-in-100 packs. Five boxes is 180 > > packs if I recall correctly. So it's unfortunate that you didn't > > receive any given R1 but far from unusual. All the cards on your > list, > > including Draught of the Soul, are R1s. > > > > Fred > > If that ratio is correct, don't you see the problem with this set? Some > above said that there are 40 R1 in the set. It seems almost impossible > to get some of these cards. > > I am mentioning this because the one thing I've heard about this game > compared to other card games is that ones "cash flow" does not have as > big as effect on the game. > > Granted, these cards are not needed to play but still, to me, with > those odds you just gave me, it seems not worth it anymore to buy > bloodlines. > > Not sure where I am going with this (my post is all over the place)... > oh well, nevermind then. Sets bigger than 150 cards have at least one 100-card sheet. Examples: The initial 1994 release (110-card rare sheet, 1-in-110 odds per pack of getting a given R1). The 1995 base set. Sabbat (with a 2-rare mega booster priced at US$4). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

"David Zopf" <david...@snet.net> wrote in message news:LoyJd.13039$Vj3....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > > "Curevei" <cur...@aol.commetal> wrote in message > news:20050125095034...@mb-m04.aol.com... >> I was missing a fair number of cards until box 5. Bloodlines had a >> ridiculous rarity scheme, having the 40 R1s, far too many of which >> shouldn't have been rare at all. > > Was that really it? I was left with the impression that the rares were > more or less evenly split into two different boxes, call it Box A and > Box B. If you only bought Box A, you were less likely to see many of > certain cards. Granted, there didn't seem to be anything other than > luck to determine which box you got. The rarity scheme Curevei describes is correct. Had there been some "A-B scheme" like you describe, I would have noticed it as I opened my packs. Fred

"Curevei" <cur...@aol.commetal> wrote in message news:20050125095034...@mb-m04.aol.com... > >I bought about 5 boxes of bloodlines, and I can say that I did not find >>any copy of that card. Neither Engling Fury, Blissful Agony, Defender >>of the Haven, The Wildebeest, Resurrection, Nightmare Curse, Mark V or >>High Top. So I think that something is wrong with card distribution in >>bloodlines... or at least my boxes. > > I was missing a fair number of cards until box 5. Bloodlines had a > ridiculous > rarity scheme, having the 40 R1s, far too many of which shouldn't have > been > rare at all. > Was that really it? I was left with the impression that the rares were more or less evenly split into two different boxes, call it Box A and Box B. If you only bought Box A, you were less likely to see many of certain cards. Granted, there didn't seem to be anything other than luck to determine which box you got. I spread my box purchases of BL across a few different sources, and didn't get certain rares until my fourth box (I was expecting a set by the time I was early into box 3). Once done with box 4, though, my numbers of each rare roughly evened out. *shrug* DaveZ Atom Weaver

"Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message news:wByJd.3110$HZ.844@okepread07... > > "David Zopf" <david...@snet.net> wrote in message > news:LoyJd.13039$Vj3....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "Curevei" <cur...@aol.commetal> wrote in message >> news:20050125095034...@mb-m04.aol.com... >>> I was missing a fair number of cards until box 5. Bloodlines had a >>> ridiculous rarity scheme, having the 40 R1s, far too many of which >>> shouldn't have been rare at all. >> >> Was that really it? I was left with the impression that the rares were >> more or less evenly split into two different boxes, call it Box A and >> Box B. If you only bought Box A, you were less likely to see many of >> certain cards. Granted, there didn't seem to be anything other than >> luck to determine which box you got. > > The rarity scheme Curevei describes is correct. Oh, i agree. There were 40 R1's and 30 R2s in Bloodlines. If randomization was absolutely efficient (or if the set was perfectly ordered), you would have to buy a minimum of 100 packs ((40 + (30x2)) to get one of each rare (one of each R1, two of each R2). I just observed a common thread of particular rares showing up within a box, or a box opened by a friend, and other rares showing up together in a different box. Bbut it might have been an artifiact of the relatively few number of boxes I saw opened (maybe about 20 boxes, all told). > Had there been some > "A-B scheme" like you describe, I would have noticed it as I opened > my packs. > How many packs (boxes) did you open? DaveZ Atom Weaver

"David Zopf" <david...@snet.net> wrote in message news:5UyJd.13044$Vj3....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > > "Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message news:wByJd.3110$HZ.844@okepread07... >> Had there been some "A-B scheme" like you describe, I would have >> noticed it as I opened my packs. >> > How many packs (boxes) did you open? Enough to know that none of the boxes duplicated one another. Fred

David Zopf wrote: I just observed a common thread of particular rares showing up within a box, or a box opened by a friend, and other rares showing up together in a different box. Bbut it might have been an artifiact of the relatively few number of boxes I saw opened (maybe about 20 boxes, all told). I have experienced similar cases with bloodlines and sometimes with CE, BH and especialy Gehenna (imo) had near-perfect distribution, though... George

adam.hu wrote: Draft boxes with your friends, or if you are after specific cards, trade and buy singles... George

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:01:30 -0700, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] my playgroup definately noticed an A-B scheme. by that, i mean a _tendendcy_ for a group of rares to be in one box, and a tendency for another group to be in a different box. there was no actual replication, just a tendency. given enough boxes though and the way probability works, it's possible it could have just been a coincidence. but it certainly _felt_ like after you'd opened the first 10 boosters in a box, you could have an idea of what most of the other rares you were going to get were. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

I mean I totally agree, and such.. ok, so I am saying nothing. shameless self plug David Wilson www.vtes.org/sales.html

"Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message news:%kzJd.3111$HZ.2594@okepread07... [ quoted text not captured ] Gee, I was hoping for a ballpark number, but OK. Note that I'm not saying that boxes exactly duplicated each other, just that there is something of a trend as to what rares may pop up in the same box (a signal of a non-random sorting of rares into the boosters) . Note, in my five boxes opened, I'm at four Draughts, without trading. Luck? Trend? Probably too little data to tell either way. DaveZ Atom Weaver

"David Zopf" <david...@snet.net> wrote in message news:gRNJd.9652$G96....@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com... [ quoted text not captured ] As I understand it: If the "first two" [0] packs in a box contain a given pair of rares, then the next two will nearly always[1] contain one of two pairs of rares. Once you have those first two pairs (4 rares), you could predict fairly accurately the rares to be found in the rest of box. Your A-B scheme is probably just an perception the follows from getting a few boxes with the same "pairs" at the start (or near the start) of the boxes. The actual box identifications would likely require 50*50 letters, but with a great deal of (ordered) overlap between the letters as well. Open 50*50 boxes and let me know what you find. :-) [0] Just select an ordering of the boosters and follow that ordering consistently throughout all boosters that you open. [1] Until the end of a sheet, most likely. If the card is upside down, though, all bets are off, since that means the sheet was loaded incorrectly. :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:35poemF...@individual.net... > As I understand it: > > If the "first two" [0] packs in a box contain a given pair of rares, then > the next two will nearly always[1] contain one of two pairs of rares. > Once you have those first two pairs (4 rares), you could predict fairly > accurately the rares to be found in the rest of box. > > Your A-B scheme is probably just an perception the follows from getting > a few boxes with the same "pairs" at the start (or near the start) of > the boxes. The actual box identifications would likely require 50*50 > letters, but with a great deal of (ordered) overlap between the letters > as well. > Thanks for this. Like I said, I was working with a small data set. > Open 50*50 boxes and let me know what you find. :-) > Are you offering me product to support my statistical research? Very well, I accept. You have my shipping address. :P DaveZ Atom Weaver