I tried looking thru posts and couldnt find the answer to this one. it
popped up during a game last weekend.
What happens when, after a combat bewteen acting minion A and blocking
minion B, acting meth plays a hidden lurker and blocker plays fast
reaction (both meths have an untapped ready vampire).
Which combat happens first?
[ quoted text not captured ]> Which combat happens first?
I think the Hidden Lurker "happens" first, and resolves, before the Fast
Reaction can be played.
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Correct. The acting player has the first chance to play any effects so he will
have the chance to play a Hidden Lurker before a Fast Reaction can be played.
Halcyan 2
"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Note that if Hidden Lurker is played, it will not be possible to
play Fast Reaction during the same action, since the combat
involving the Hidden Lurker won't have an "acting" vampire for
Fast Reaction to target.
I'm sure Halcyan knows this, but just in case anyone else wasn't
aware. :-)
Josh
attribution lost
>Note that if Hidden Lurker is played, it will not be possible to
>play Fast Reaction during the same action, since the combat
>involving the Hidden Lurker won't have an "acting" vampire for
>Fast Reaction to target.
>
>I'm sure Halcyan knows this, but just in case anyone else wasn't
>aware. :-)
Fine! You want to get picky Josh! Then take this!
Actually, it is still possible to play Fast Reaction during the same action
even if Hidden Lurker is played - if the Hidden Lurker is canceled by something
like a Direct Intervention. In that case, the Hidden Lurker is actually played
(but you don't get the effect), and still allowing Fast Reaction to be played.
Halcyan 2
in your face mr. duffin!
"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Fine! You want to get picky Josh! Then take this!
>
> Actually, it is still possible to play Fast Reaction during the same action
> even if Hidden Lurker is played - if the Hidden Lurker is canceled by
something
> like a Direct Intervention. In that case, the Hidden Lurker is actually
played
> (but you don't get the effect), and still allowing Fast Reaction to be
played.
Ah, but then the acting Methuselah could play another Hidden
Lurker with a different minion, thus re-forestalling the
possibility of Fast Reaction!
Josh
;-)
"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<b843c8$603r0$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>...
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Or just Sudden Reversal the DI, of course, but I'm sure that would be too easy :)
Patrick van der Reest
Columbus, OH
sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der Reest) wrote in message news:<92081c66.03042...@posting.google.com>...
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Ah, but the acting Methuselah *can't* play a Sudden Reversal, because
it's during his turn.
Unless of course the acting minion is a Malkavian using a Madness
Network to act during someone else's turn. I think. Confusion...
rising..
-John Flournoy
flou...@rcn.com (John Flournoy) wrote in message news:<57327a82.03042...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Ah, but then the acting Methuselah could play another Hidden
> > > Lurker with a different minion, thus re-forestalling the
> > > possibility of Fast Reaction!
> > >
> >> > Or just Sudden Reversal the DI, of course, but I'm sure that would be too easy :)
>> Ah, but the acting Methuselah *can't* play a Sudden Reversal, because
> it's during his turn.
>
> Unless of course the acting minion is a Malkavian using a Madness
> Network to act during someone else's turn. I think. Confusion...
> rising..
Now, that sounds promising: a Madness Network / Mose of the Hound /
Graverobbing / Hidden Lurker deck. Pack some Disguised Weapons and
aggro tools, or maybe protean pokeyness, and one should be able to
torporize about anything. Once you've got someone down, you can
usually force a block when you visit his nice little crypt, and that's
all you need...
Whether it's easier or more annoying than my SO's favourite deck with
8 (!) Rotschreck, I don't know. Guess I'll have to try it out one of
these days. :)
Blessings,
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"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<b83vct$5vmdr$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>...
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Not sure I'm clear on this concept. Since hidden lurker is now
considered an action modifier, then wouldn't the original acting
minion still be the a "valid" acting minion, therefore
fast-reactionable, even after the HL has been resolved???
Creature wrote:
> Not sure I'm clear on this concept. Since hidden lurker is now
> considered an action modifier, then wouldn't the original acting
> minion still be the a "valid" acting minion, therefore
> fast-reactionable, even after the HL has been resolved???
No.
Fast Reaction can only be played when concluding a combat between
the acting minion and the blocking minion.
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Creature wrote:
> > Not sure I'm clear on this concept. Since hidden lurker is now
> > considered an action modifier, then wouldn't the original acting
> > minion still be the a "valid" acting minion, therefore
> > fast-reactionable, even after the HL has been resolved???
>
> No.
> Fast Reaction can only be played when concluding a combat between
> the acting minion and the blocking minion.
To expand on Scott's answer: The original acting minion is indeed
still "the one true acting minion" until that action is totally
completed (after all combats are done and nobody wants to do
anything else "inside" the action).
However, because Fast Reaction's card text says "Only usable
after a combat between a blocking minion you control other than
this vampire and the acting minion", it's not playable if the
combat that just finished didn't include that "one true acting
minion".
See? :-)
Josh
prolixity is the soul of (my) rules answers