LSJ: ? on Corruption card

LSJ, With that Corruption card (who's name I can't completely remember), the one that makes you spend 1 (2 at superior, add one if you are a Follower of Set) extra blood for every action, what happens if you have no blood, or not enough blood to pay for whatever action you are attempting _and_ the bonus cost? Are you: A) Unable to act, as you can't spend the extra blood to do anything, so a Corrupted vamp with zero blood couldn't hunt and would be frozen into inaction forever. B) Capable of acting, as you are only required to spend the extra blood if you are able to, so a Corrupted vampire with zero blood could hunt and get up to one blood, and the same vamp could Govern the Unaligned with only one blood, spending it all to perform the action. Thanks, Peter D Bakija PD...@aol.com "You just don't like him because of that time he beat you up every day for five years." -Willow

In article <19971009224...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pd...@aol.com (PDB6) wrote: > > LSJ, > > With that Corruption card (who's name I can't completely remember), Seeds of Corruption > the one > that makes you spend 1 (2 at superior, add one if you are a Follower of Set) > extra blood for every action, what happens if you have no blood, or not enough > blood to pay for whatever action you are attempting _and_ the bonus cost? You don't "spend" - you "burn" blood. In addition to the cost. After the When performing an action (when you tap and announce an action), you must have enough blood to pay the cost (or you cannot attempt the action at all). But then, before you check for blocks (and long before the action resolves and you pay the cost of the action), you burn blood as described on Seeds of Corruption. This could leave you with insufficient blood to pay for the action. In which case (if the action remains unblocked), then the action merely "fizzles" with no effect. > > Are you: > > A) Unable to act, as you can't spend the extra blood to do anything, so a > Corrupted vamp with zero blood couldn't hunt and would be frozen into inaction > forever. Subject: Re: Questions From: "LSJ (VtES Rep)" <vte...@regency.wizards.com> Date: 1997/07/03 Message-Id: <33BBAA...@regency.wizards.com> Seeds of Corruption doesn't require payment, it makes the vampire burn blood for performing an action. An empty vampire hunting will have to burn blood for performing the hunting action (burned blood in excess of capacity is ignored) and gain for during the resolution of that action. So the vampire ends with one blood. > B) Capable of acting, as you are only required to spend the extra blood if you > are able to, so a Corrupted vampire with zero blood could hunt and get up to > one blood, and the same vamp could Govern the Unaligned with only one blood, > spending it all to perform the action. With one blood, the vampire could attempt GtU. But then he would burn blood as required by Seeds of Corruption. Then, when it comes time to resolve the action (and it remained unblocked), the action fizzles since the acting vampire cannot pay the cost of the action. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

I'm unclear as to what happens when the acting vampire gets blocked. If blocked, does the acting vampire still burn the blood? or is no blood burned since the action was unsuccessful? thanks in advance.. Alex

LSJ wrote: You don't "spend" - you "burn" blood. In addition to the cost. After the When performing an action (when you tap and announce an action), you must have enough blood to pay the cost (or you cannot attempt the action at all). But then, before you check for blocks (and long before the action resolves and you pay the cost of the action), you burn blood as described on Seeds of Corruption. This could leave you with insufficient blood to pay for the action. In which case (if the action remains unblocked), then the action merely "fizzles" with no effect." So you burn the blood for Seeds of Corruption _before_ you attempt the action, and then pay for the action, and if you are without enough blood to burn (for Seeds of Corruptiuon penalty), you just don't burn it. Thus, a vamp with zero blood could hunt while Seeds of Corrupted, and a vamp with one blood could attempt any zero blood cost action while Superiorly Seeds of Corrupted, burning his one blood to attempt the action, ignoring the excess, and then continuing with the action, correct? [ quoted text not captured ]

pd...@aol.com (PDB6) wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > You don't "spend" - you "burn" blood. In addition to the cost. When > performing an action (when you tap and announce an action), you must have > enough blood to pay the cost (or you cannot attempt the action at all). But > then, before you check for blocks (and long before the action resolves andyou > pay the cost of the action), you burn blood as described on Seeds of > Corruption. This could leave you with insufficient blood to pay for the > action. In which case (if the action remains unblocked), then the action > merely "fizzles" with no effect." > > So you burn the blood for Seeds of Corruption _before_ you attempt the action, > and then pay for the action, and if you are without enough blood to burn (for > Seeds of Corruptiuon penalty), you just don't burn it. Thus, a vamp with zero > blood could hunt while Seeds of Corrupted, and a vamp with one blood could > attempt any zero blood cost action while Superiorly Seeds of Corrupted, > burning his one blood to attempt the action, ignoring the excess, and then > continuing with the action, correct? No. As I said: you burn blood for Seeds of Corruption when you attempt the action, not before. If you burn it before the attempt, and that loss of blood leaves you with insufficient blood to pay for the cost of the action, then you would be prohibited from attempting the action. You do burn blood for the Seeds before paying for the action (which doesn't happen until the action resolves successfully), and even before you can pay for any action modifiers. An empty vampire can hunt while having Seeds of Curruption, as I said in the post which you followed up to. A vampire with 1 blood can attempt a zero-cost or a 1-blood-cost action. Once the attempt is made, blood is burned for the Seeds, leaving the vampire empty. And the action continues. When it resolves (if unblocked), then it will fizzle if the cost cannot be paid. For a zero-cost action, this means that the action resolves as normal. For a 1-blood-cost action, this means that the action fizzles. [ quoted text not captured ]

harm...@futures.wharton.upenn.edu (ALEX HARMON) wrote: > > I'm unclear as to what happens when the acting vampire gets blocked. If > blocked, does the acting vampire still burn the blood? or is no blood > burned since the action was unsuccessful? I read "performs" as "takes", so the vampire burns blood for taking the action - when the action is taken. If blocked, the action was still taken and the blood still burned (before block-combat begins). [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: "A vampire with 1 blood can attempt a zero-cost or a 1-blood-cost action. Once the attempt is made, blood is burned for the Seeds, leaving the vampire empty. And the action continues. When it resolves (if unblocked), then it will fizzle if the cost cannot be paid. For a zero-cost action, this means that the action resolves as normal. For a 1-blood-cost action, this means that the action fizzles." Ok, I think I fully understand. Just need to clear up one last thing. If I (being a vampire and all...) have one blood on me, and I am superiorly Seeds of Corrupted (meaning that I have to burn 2 extra blood when ever I attempt to take an action), can I then Bum's Rush someone (a zero cost action), burning one blood for the SoC, ignoring the excess SoC cost, at which point I will be Bum's Rushing someone with zero blood, and the action may go on (to be blocked or not or whatever.) [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <19971014232...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pd...@aol.com (PDB6) wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > "A vampire with 1 blood can attempt a zero-cost or a 1-blood-cost action. Once > the attempt is made, blood is burned for the Seeds, leaving the vampire empty. > And the action continues. When it resolves (if unblocked), then it will fizzle > if the cost cannot be paid. For a zero-cost action, this means that the action > resolves as normal. For a 1-blood-cost action, this means that the action > fizzles." > > Ok, I think I fully understand. Just need to clear up one last thing. If I > (being a vampire and all...) have one blood on me, and I am superiorly Seeds > of Corrupted (meaning that I have to burn 2 extra blood when ever I attempt to > take an action), can I then Bum's Rush someone (a zero cost action), burning > one blood for the SoC, ignoring the excess SoC cost, at which point I will be > Bum's Rushing someone with zero blood, and the action may go on (to be blocked > or not or whatever.) Yes. That example follows directly from the ruling you quoted. [ quoted text not captured ]