Yet another timing Q

Hi all. I have yet another timing question and am not exactly sure how 1.6.1.6 applies, or if there has been another clarification of it. Situation: Muaziz Bum's Rushes (I'll call him Gimp) and uses a Dawn Op. Combat begins, cards before range? Muaziz plays Skin of Night and Weather Control (and maybe even an Amaranth for the fun of it). If I am Gimp's controller, do I get a chance to play a Skin of Night (for example) between Muaziz's SoN and WC? Thus the question: Does the Acting minion get to play as many cards at any stage (of combat, in this case) before the other minion gets to play cards for that stage (in this case, cards before range)? Or, does the Gimp get a chance after every Acting minion's card to 'react' to that card? If I don't, the above situation is rather bloody nasty! Cheers all! Gleno

In message <3f2cafe7$0$15132$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, Glen Robinson <glen_r...@optusnet.com.au> writes: >Hi all. > >I have yet another timing question and am not exactly sure how 1.6.1.6 >applies, or if there has been another clarification of it. > >Situation: Muaziz Bum's Rushes (I'll call him Gimp) and uses a Dawn Op. >Combat begins, cards before range? Muaziz plays Skin of Night and Weather >Control (and maybe even an Amaranth for the fun of it). > >If I am Gimp's controller, do I get a chance to play a Skin of Night (for >example) between Muaziz's SoN and WC? Possibly, but it's unlikely. The acting Methuselah has priority. After any card, effect etc. is played, the acting Methuselah gets the next chance to follow up with one. So after playing Skin of Night, the acting Methuselah gets to play the next "Before range..." effect. They *could* decline to play anything after their first card, and you could then play Skin of Night. But they don't have to. And it would - generally - be relatively foolish to, since if you don't play a Before Range... card, they don't get priority back to play another. i.e. if the acting Methuselah passes control of a phase over to the reacting minion, and the reacting minion declines to play anything, the acting minion doesn't get a second bite. The usual - and scariest (given how many times it seems to happen) - situation is when an acting Methuselah asks the reacting Methuselah "Any maneuvers?" At that point, he can't then maneuver himself unless the reacting Methuselah plays a card/effect. He passed control, and no effect was played for him to get back priority. [1.6.1.6] is very helpful here. >Thus the question: Does the Acting minion get to play as many cards at any >stage (of combat, in this case) before the other minion gets to play cards >for that stage (in this case, cards before range)? Yes. [1.6.1.6] "Sequencing. If two or more players want to play a card or effect, the acting Methuselah plays first. At every stage, the acting player always has the opportunity to play the next card or effect. So after playing one effect, she may play another and another. Once she is finished, the opportunity passes to the defending Methuselah (in the cases of directed actions and combat), then to the rest of the Methuselahs in clockwise order from the acting Methuselah. Note that if any Methuselah uses a card or effect, the acting Methuselah again gets the opportunity to play the next effect." >Or, does the Gimp get a >chance after every Acting minion's card to 'react' to that card? They get a chance after the acting Methuselah passes control over to them. >If I don't, >the above situation is rather bloody nasty! Actually, a lot less than you think. Muaziz Bum's Rushed the vampire. Muaziz only has inferior Fortitude. And I think you've missed what Dawn Operation says on its card text: [for] If this action is blocked, all damage inflicted to all vampires in the resulting combat is aggravated. Any vampire attempting to block may now choose not to block. You need the action to be blocked. On a Bum's Rush, blocking then would probably be silly. And at inferior, they can back out. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

"Glen Robinson" <glen_r...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f2cafe7$0$15132$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>... [ quoted text not captured ] I'm not sure about the answer to your question, and i'm too lazy to search it up, but don't forget you have to block the action (bumsrush in this case) before the acting minion (muaziz) can use dawn operation. -Bram Vink

Glen Robinson expounded: > Thus the question: Does the Acting minion get to play as many cards at any > stage (of combat, in this case) before the other minion gets to play cards > for that stage (in this case, cards before range)? Or, does the Gimp get a > chance after every Acting minion's card to 'react' to that card? If I don't, > the above situation is rather bloody nasty! Weather Control gets it's own damage resolution phase in which both players get a chance to play cards to react to it. If OTOH, Muaziz was packing a Rotschreck as well Gimp would need Psyche! or Telepathic Tracking to survive.

On 3 Aug 2003 03:50:40 -0700, jja....@hccnet.nl (Darky) scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] You can play Dawn Operation whenever you want during an action. It only has an effect if there is a block attempt, however. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:26:20 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> scrawled: >In message <3f2cafe7$0$15132$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, Glen >Robinson <glen_r...@optusnet.com.au> writes: >>Hi all. >> >>I have yet another timing question and am not exactly sure how 1.6.1.6 >>applies, or if there has been another clarification of it. >> >>Situation: Muaziz Bum's Rushes (I'll call him Gimp) and uses a Dawn Op. >>Combat begins, cards before range? Muaziz plays Skin of Night and Weather >>Control (and maybe even an Amaranth for the fun of it). >> >>If I am Gimp's controller, do I get a chance to play a Skin of Night (for >>example) between Muaziz's SoN and WC? > >Possibly, but it's unlikely. > >The acting Methuselah has priority. After any card, effect etc. is >played, the acting Methuselah gets the next chance to follow up with >one. So after playing Skin of Night, the acting Methuselah gets to play >the next "Before range..." effect. However, as Weather Control sets up a damage effect, you get to play cards in esponse to the damage, thus being allowed to play your own Skin of Night before the damage could put you in torpor, but after the WC is played. http://www.google.com.au/groups?selm=3EE76CF5.4070505%40white-wolf.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain In this post, LSJ replies: " > As such Skin of Night says "for the > remainder of the remainder of the round", so if you played Weather Control > before you played Skin of Night under a Dawn Operation then the acting > vampire blows himself up. Not true. Damage application and damage handling are done in sequence (allowing for damage prevention, Skin of Night, etc.) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:59:21 +0100, Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] she'd want to be a clan impersonated malkavian acting OOT in the madness network to both play rotsschrek and an action modifier. oh, and it still wouldn't work as rotschrek requires one minion to be inflicting agg damage on a vampire. Weather control is environmental (in more ways than one. ;) and thus doesn't come 'from' the minion. so it's not reduced by 1 against Nephandi, and won't count towards disarm ('inflict more damage'), etc. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:47:00 +1000, "Glen Robinson" <glen_r...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >Situation: Muaziz Bum's Rushes (I'll call him Gimp) and uses a Dawn Op. >Combat begins, cards before range? Muaziz plays Skin of Night and Weather >Control (and maybe even an Amaranth for the fun of it). Just out of curiostiy, if Muaziz was actually rushing, why would you bother playing intercept to block? Actually, if anyone is Bum's Rushing and you expect them to play Dawn Op/Weather Control, why would you block? Dawn Operation Cardtype: Action Modifier Discipline: Fortitude [for] If this action ***is blocked***, all damage inflicted to all vampires in the resulting combat is aggravated. Any vampire attempting to block may now choose not to block. [FOR] As above, but vampires attempting to block cannot back out. Xian

>>>If I am Gimp's controller, do I get a chance to play a Skin of Night (for >>>example) between Muaziz's SoN and WC? >> >>Possibly, but it's unlikely. >> >>The acting Methuselah has priority. After any card, effect etc. is >>played, the acting Methuselah gets the next chance to follow up with >>one. So after playing Skin of Night, the acting Methuselah gets to play >>the next "Before range..." effect. > >However, as Weather Control sets up a damage effect, you get to play >cards in esponse to the damage, thus being allowed to play your own >Skin of Night before the damage could put you in torpor, but after the >WC is played. > >http://www.google.com.au/groups?selm=3EE76CF5.4070505%40white-wolf.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain >In this post, LSJ replies: > >" >> As such Skin of Night says "for the >> remainder of the remainder of the round", so if you played Weather Control >> before you played Skin of Night under a Dawn Operation then the acting >> vampire blows himself up. > >Not true. Damage application and damage handling are done in sequence >(allowing for damage prevention, Skin of Night, etc.) >" I didn't think you could prevent environmental damage such as weather control? By the same logic, if the acting plays a WC the defending could play a terror frenzy at sup. Does that mean the acting minion has to pay a blood to get the WC effect off? Andrew.

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:47:00 +1000, "Glen Robinson" <glen_r...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I checked the rules... again... this time I think I found the rule that clearly states the minion can only play one card or use an effect before the defending minion can play a card, 6.4.1. Combat Sequence Combat occurs in a series of one or more rounds. Each round of combat has three steps: Determine Range. Use maneuvers to set the range to close or long. Strike. Announce and resolve strikes. Press. Use presses to continue into another round or to end combat. As usual, the acting minion always gets first opportunity to use a card or effect before the opposing minion at every stage of combat. Andrew.

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:42:27 +1000, Andrew Daley <dal...@iinet.net.au> scrawled: > >>>>If I am Gimp's controller, do I get a chance to play a Skin of Night (for >>>>example) between Muaziz's SoN and WC? >>> >>>Possibly, but it's unlikely. >>> >>>The acting Methuselah has priority. After any card, effect etc. is >>>played, the acting Methuselah gets the next chance to follow up with >>>one. So after playing Skin of Night, the acting Methuselah gets to play >>>the next "Before range..." effect. >> >>However, as Weather Control sets up a damage effect, you get to play >>cards in esponse to the damage, thus being allowed to play your own >>Skin of Night before the damage could put you in torpor, but after the >>WC is played. >> >>http://www.google.com.au/groups?selm=3EE76CF5.4070505%40white-wolf.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain >>In this post, LSJ replies: >> >>" >>> As such Skin of Night says "for the >>> remainder of the remainder of the round", so if you played Weather Control >>> before you played Skin of Night under a Dawn Operation then the acting >>> vampire blows himself up. >> >>Not true. Damage application and damage handling are done in sequence >>(allowing for damage prevention, Skin of Night, etc.) >>" >I didn't think you could prevent environmental damage such as weather >control? Weather Control has specific text to make it unpreventable. Environmental damage, in general, IS preventable. It's just that cards like Skin of Steel, which specify damage from a STRIKE, are no good. You'll need a card that just says "prevent (some) damage". BUT, just because some damage is unpreventable doesn't mean you don't go through the 'damage application, damage resolution' bits. And it's in there somewhere that you get to play Skin of Night, I guess, in the origional example. >By the same logic, if the acting plays a WC the defending could play a >terror frenzy at sup. Does that mean the acting minion has to pay a >blood to get the WC effect off? Nope. Superior Terror Frenzy only makes the opposing minion burn an additional blood to _play_ cards. Once they're played, their effects can be used with no further penalty. and, obviously, it will only effect cards played _after_ the TF is played. It says nothing about making the opposing vampire retroactively burn blood. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:44:51 +1000, Andrew Daley <dal...@iinet.net.au> scrawled: >> >I checked the rules... again... this time I think I found the rule >that clearly states the minion can only play one card or use an effect >before the defending minion can play a card, >6.4.1. Combat Sequence >Combat occurs in a series of one or more rounds. Each round of combat >has three steps: >Determine Range. Use maneuvers to set the range to close or long. >Strike. Announce and resolve strikes. >Press. Use presses to continue into another round or to end combat. >As usual, the acting minion always gets first opportunity to use a >card or effect before the opposing minion at every stage of combat. The 'as usual' is referring to the sequencing rules. If acting minion plays WC, that acting minion gets a chance to play a card in response to the WC first, then the defending minion. So they (the acting minion) can play 2 cards in a row. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:04:34 +1000, salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I am not confused by preventing strike damage. I was really referring to damage applied to a vampire outside of a strike. You were indicating that everytime damage was applied there was some damage handling to be done, such as prevention. How would handling twisting the knife go? What if a minion chooses to take the 3 damage (only has 1 soak) can he now prevent the one damage from a TtK? > >BUT, just because some damage is unpreventable doesn't mean you don't >go through the 'damage application, damage resolution' bits. And it's >in there somewhere that you get to play Skin of Night, I guess, in the >origional example. > >>By the same logic, if the acting plays a WC the defending could play a >>terror frenzy at sup. Does that mean the acting minion has to pay a >>blood to get the WC effect off? > >Nope. Superior Terror Frenzy only makes the opposing minion burn an >additional blood to _play_ cards. Once they're played, their effects >can be used with no further penalty. and, obviously, it will only >effect cards played _after_ the TF is played. It says nothing about >making the opposing vampire retroactively burn blood. > Thanks for that Salem. It was a query as our group has been discussing that in combat cards are play simultanuously or to that effect. You response clears this problem up. Andrew

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:10:07 +1000, salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Cool. :) So acting plays a card.. resolve it... acting resolves then defending. The defending can now play a card in response to the acting card... resolve it.. acting resolves then defending. This continues until both minions decline to play a card in that phase. Andrew.

Xian <xi...@bogus-spam-trap-visi.remove.com> wrote in message news:<7meqivkuvqtgi3hmm...@4ax.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] > Cause then she loses the maneuver ? Jo > Xian

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:20:23 +1000, Andrew Daley <dal...@iinet.net.au> scrawled: >I am not confused by preventing strike damage. I was really referring >to damage applied to a vampire outside of a strike. You were >indicating that everytime damage was applied there was some damage >handling to be done, such as prevention. from the rulebook, 6.4.3: Strike: "When a minion or retainer takes damage (either from a strike or from other means), he must burn blood or lose life, as appropriate (see “Damage Resolution,” sec. 6.4.6)." From 6.4.6: Damage Resolution: "Damage resolution has two steps: prevent damage and heal damage. First, the minion taking damage can play damage prevention cards (such as the combat card Skin of Rock) if he is able to do so. These damage prevention cards are played one at a time until all the damage is prevented or until the minion chooses not to play any more. Only minions can prevent damage. Damage to retainers cannot be prevented. Any remaining damage (damage that was not prevented) is successfully inflicted. The damage is then healed (if the victim is a vampire) or causes a loss of life points (if the victim is an ally or retainer). For each point of damage inflicted on a vampire, he must burn one blood to heal the damage." >How would handling twisting >the knife go? What if a minion chooses to take the 3 damage (only has >1 soak) can he now prevent the one damage from a TtK? the first response would be "what are you doing playing with twisting the knife?" :) As to the way it works, i assume 'inflict' is like applying the damage. you apply 3 or more from your strike, you then apply another 1 with TtK. then you go to damage prevention, and can prevent whatever point you want with your 'soak' (prevent damage card? damn RPGers. sorry, Storytelling Gamers ;). This i am not sure on though. You might wanna pester LSJ about 'inflict' vs 'successfully inflict', and/or do a google search. :) sorry i can't do it myself because my GF is pestering me to go to dinner... cheers, [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <7d6sivs8pr0vu0i32...@4ax.com>, Andrew Daley <dal...@iinet.net.au> writes: >So acting plays a card.. resolve it... acting resolves then defending. >The defending can now play a card in response to the acting card... >resolve it.. acting resolves then defending. This continues until both >minions decline to play a card in that phase. No. The defending Methuselah does not get a chance to play a card in response to another card (of the same timing phase) unless and until the acting Methuselah ceases to hold control. (Cards like Direct Intervention work because their timing is quite specific - the acting Methuselah does not have a card to play at that time, so they do not play a card, and then control passes to the other Methuselahs, in order. In the typical case, no-one plays any card like DI and control passes back to the acting Methuselah.) Assuming everything happens in the same timing phase (like Weather Control, Torn Signpost and Carrion Crows): Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice ... (Repeat until bored) Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Acting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice Control passes to reacting Methuselah Reacting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Acting Methuselah regains opportunity to play Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice ... Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Acting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice Reacting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice Timing phase ends It does *not* go "Acting 1 card, Reacting 1 card, Acting 1 card, Reacting 1 card". "At every stage, the acting player always has the opportunity to play ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the next card or effect. So after playing one effect, she may play ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ another and another." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Once she is finished, the opportunity passes to the defending Methuselah (in the cases of directed actions and combat), then to the rest of the Methuselahs in clockwise order from the acting Methuselah. Note that if any Methuselah uses a card or effect, the acting Methuselah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ again gets the opportunity to play the next effect." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [ quoted text not captured ]

Andrew Daley wrote: [snip unattributed quote - please quote responsibly] > I didn't think you could prevent environmental damage such as weather > control? You can prevent environmental damage in general. You cannot prevent Weather Control damage, but that's because it is marked as unpreventable, not because of some inherent property of environmental damage. > By the same logic, if the acting plays a WC the defending could play a > terror frenzy at sup. Does that mean the acting minion has to pay a > blood to get the WC effect off? No. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Andrew Daley wrote: > salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>Weather Control has specific text to make it unpreventable. >>Environmental damage, in general, IS preventable. It's just that cards >>like Skin of Steel, which specify damage from a STRIKE, are no good. >>You'll need a card that just says "prevent (some) damage". > > I am not confused by preventing strike damage. I was really referring > to damage applied to a vampire outside of a strike. You were > indicating that everytime damage was applied there was some damage > handling to be done, such as prevention. How would handling twisting This is correct. > the knife go? What if a minion chooses to take the 3 damage (only has > 1 soak) can he now prevent the one damage from a TtK? Yes. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3E19E057.F087A2CB%40white-wolf.com [ quoted text not captured ]

On 4 Aug 2003 01:41:09 -0700, jo.her...@sca.com (wolflord) wrote: >Xian wrote: >> Just out of curiostiy, if Muaziz was actually rushing, why would you >> bother playing intercept to block? Actually, if anyone is Bum's >> Rushing and you expect them to play Dawn Op/Weather Control, why would >> you block? >> >> >> Cause then she loses the maneuver ? Yeah, but she doesn't get the agg damage if it's not blocked... Xian

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:46:56 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <7d6sivs8pr0vu0i32...@4ax.com>, Andrew Daley ><dal...@iinet.net.au> writes: >>So acting plays a card.. resolve it... acting resolves then defending. >>The defending can now play a card in response to the acting card... >>resolve it.. acting resolves then defending. This continues until both >>minions decline to play a card in that phase. > >No. The defending Methuselah does not get a chance to play a card in >response to another card (of the same timing phase) unless and until the >acting Methuselah ceases to hold control. I have I chosen poor wording. More accurate to say, the effect or card that the defending Meth wants to play. I was seeking clarification on 6.4.1. What does this mean? [note I have only inserted part of 6.4.1 as it is distinct from other text] "... As usual, the acting minion always gets first opportunity to use a card or effect before the opposing minion at every stage of combat." > >(Cards like Direct Intervention work because their timing is quite >specific - the acting Methuselah does not have a card to play at that >time, so they do not play a card, and then control passes to the other >Methuselahs, in order. In the typical case, no-one plays any card like >DI and control passes back to the acting Methuselah.) > >Assuming everything happens in the same timing phase (like Weather >Control, Torn Signpost and Carrion Crows): > >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >... (Repeat until bored) >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >Acting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice >Control passes to reacting Methuselah >Reacting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice Does the reacting only gets the opportunity to play one card? or at this point the reacting meth declines to play/resolve? >Acting Methuselah regains opportunity to play >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >... >Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >Acting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice >Reacting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice > >Timing phase ends >It does *not* go "Acting 1 card, Reacting 1 card, Acting 1 card, >Reacting 1 card". > >"At every stage, the acting player always has the opportunity to play > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the next card or effect. So after playing one effect, she may play > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >another and another." >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Doesn't that contridict the above highlighted section of 6.4.1? Or am I just missing the point? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:08:52 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Andrew Daley wrote: >> salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>Weather Control has specific text to make it unpreventable. >>>Environmental damage, in general, IS preventable. It's just that cards >>>like Skin of Steel, which specify damage from a STRIKE, are no good. >>>You'll need a card that just says "prevent (some) damage". >> >> I am not confused by preventing strike damage. I was really referring >> to damage applied to a vampire outside of a strike. You were >> indicating that everytime damage was applied there was some damage >> handling to be done, such as prevention. How would handling twisting > >This is correct. > >> the knife go? What if a minion chooses to take the 3 damage (only has >> 1 soak) can he now prevent the one damage from a TtK? > >Yes. >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3E19E057.F087A2CB%40white-wolf.com Thanks for that. I apologise for not looking for the info, rather, I was hoping to have a discussion and put your knowledge to good use. :) So am I correct in saying that at any stage in the combat sequence, a minion takes damage can play a damage prevention card to soak it? That is presuming that the damage is preventable. Andrew.

Xian expounded: [ quoted text not captured ] 'cos you want the agg damage?

Andrew Daley expounded: > >Reacting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice > Does the reacting only gets the opportunity to play one card? or at > this point the reacting meth declines to play/resolve? Correct -Only one card then it goes back to the acting meth. This process continues until the reacting meth declines to play anything - then you move to the next phase. > >"At every stage, the acting player always has the opportunity to play > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >the next card or effect. So after playing one effect, she may play > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >another and another." > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Doesn't that contridict the above highlighted section of 6.4.1? No

Andrew Daley wrote: > James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >>Andrew Daley <dal...@iinet.net.au> writes: >>>So acting plays a card.. resolve it... acting resolves then defending. >>>The defending can now play a card in response to the acting card... >>>resolve it.. acting resolves then defending. This continues until both >>>minions decline to play a card in that phase. >> >>No. The defending Methuselah does not get a chance to play a card in >>response to another card (of the same timing phase) unless and until the >>acting Methuselah ceases to hold control. > > I have I chosen poor wording. More accurate to say, the effect or > card that the defending Meth wants to play. I was seeking The wording was fine. The change in wording won't change James's response. > clarification on 6.4.1. What does this mean? [note I have only > inserted part of 6.4.1 as it is distinct from other text] > "... As usual, the acting minion always gets first opportunity to use > a card or effect before the opposing minion at every stage of combat." The acting minion gets to play first. That isn't to say that they're taking turns playing effects, though. The acting minion always plays next. No one else plays until the acting minion passes. If everyone else passes as well, then move on. If anyone fails to pass (i.e., anyone plays a card or effect), then the acting minion plays next. >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>... (Repeat until bored) >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>Acting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice >>Control passes to reacting Methuselah >>Reacting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice > > Does the reacting only gets the opportunity to play one card? or at Yes. > this point the reacting meth declines to play/resolve? No. Once he played an effect, the acting Meth plays next. The acting Meth always "plays next" after any play. >>Acting Methuselah regains opportunity to play >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>... >>Acting Methuselah plays (and resolves) the card of his choice >>Acting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice >>Reacting Methuselah declines to play (and resolve) a card of his choice >> >>Timing phase ends >>It does *not* go "Acting 1 card, Reacting 1 card, Acting 1 card, >>Reacting 1 card". >> >>"At every stage, the acting player always has the opportunity to play >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>the next card or effect. So after playing one effect, she may play >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>another and another." >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Doesn't that contridict the above highlighted section of 6.4.1? No. 6.4.1. says the acting Meth goes first. This concurs. > Or am I just missing the point? > >>"Once she is finished, the opportunity passes to the defending >>Methuselah (in the cases of directed actions and combat), then to the >>rest of the Methuselahs in clockwise order from the acting Methuselah. >>Note that if any Methuselah uses a card or effect, the acting Methuselah >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>again gets the opportunity to play the next effect." >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- [ quoted text not captured ]

Andrew Daley wrote: > So am I correct in saying that at any stage in the combat sequence, a > minion takes damage can play a damage prevention card to soak it? That > is presuming that the damage is preventable. Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]