Mummify

There's been a lot of talk about broken cards lately: which are and which aren't. Am I the only one that thinks that Mummify is a broken card. Not broken in that it is too powerful. Certainly not. It just plain sucks. It will never....ever be used as is. I put that card right up there with Deal with the Devil. Perhaps if (and here we go with the fixes) it were rewritten entirely: Mummify Combat/Action card serpentis Play this card on this vampire if this vampire goes to Torpor after combat. This vampire cannot be diablerized while this card remains on it. Burn this card when this vampire comes out of Torpor. SERPENTIS +1 stealth action Only usable by a vampire in Torpor. Place this card on the acting vampire. Same effect as above. Actually, that would be a whole new card. But that's what Mummify should have been (at least from a storytelling point of view, which, as you may have noticed, is how I like to play). p.

In article <3712762B...@alpinetaxi.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] During playtesting AH, Mummify had the same effect as is printed now, with the addition, that your prey burned one pool when the vamp hit torpor. IMO it was quite useful then. Carl -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

> During playtesting AH, Mummify had the same effect as is printed now, with > the addition, that your prey burned one pool when the vamp hit torpor. > IMO it was quite useful then. That would work for me as well. I'll have to suggest that to our playgroup. p.

In article <37135120...@alpinetaxi.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] Heh. A "mini-Fame" card. By using multiple Haven Uncovered, and Ambush and a Bum's Rush, you could bounce the vampire in and out of torpor several times in a deck. Which reminds me... I think my next bizarre deck will be a Setite rush combat deck. Noal -- "The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering!" -Ashleigh Brilliant [ quoted text not captured ]

> Heh. A "mini-Fame" card. By using multiple Haven Uncovered, and Ambush and a > Bum's Rush, you could bounce the vampire in and out of torpor several times in a > deck. Yikes. Didn't even think of that. Of course, the Setites are FAR less capable in combat that the fortutude clans, and it's really hard to add it to them. One could argue about S:CE, but that wouldn't get them into torpor. Another thing that may prevent the Fame-like usage of the card is that the vampire with Mummify on it can't bring himself out of torpor, correct? I think without the fortitude or protean for untaps and actions in torpor, added to the idea that the torporized vamp can't bring himself out of torpor, the card couldn't really be used like Fame was. > Which reminds me... I think my next bizarre deck will be a Setite rush combat > deck. I'm trying to put a Setite deck together that uses all the nasty stuff in the game (that would go along with the Setite theme): Slave Auctions, Cairo Airports, Brainwashes, Vampiric Diseases, XTC-Laced Blood, Curse of Nitocris, etc...Won't be tounrament viable by a long shot, but will be fun/annoying for my playgroup. p.

> Of course, the Setites are FAR less capable in > combat that the fortutude clans, and it's really hard to add it to them. Well...if you're going to be using Mummify, you wouldn't attack an IG deck. You'd attack any other deck on the table since you'd have no effect on their minions at all and the pool loss would go to your prey. As for Fortitude, all it takes is the Parthenon and a slew of Fortitude cards. > One could argue about S:CE, but that wouldn't get them into torpor. No...Mummify sends them to torpor _and_ causes 1 pool loss to your prey. > Another thing that may prevent the Fame-like usage of the card is that the > vampire with Mummify on it can't bring himself out of torpor, correct? At superior, they can. Besides, I'd have another vampire with Humanitas and Labyrinth (I think) so that rescue from diablerie actions are at +2 stealth and cost 2 less pool. > I think without the fortitude or protean for untaps and actions in torpor, > added to the idea that the torporized vamp can't bring himself out of torpor, > the card couldn't really be used like Fame was. All it requires is a sup. Serpentis and master cards. It wouldn't be easy, but it would be possible. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Well...if you're going to be using Mummify, you wouldn't attack an IG deck. > You'd attack any other deck on the table since you'd have no effect on their > minions at all and the pool loss would go to your prey. True. Didn't think about it like that. Very true. > As for Fortitude, all it takes is the Parthenon and a slew of Fortitude cards. Also true, but no one wants to add all those to a Setite deck. Well, maybe those of us that like to come up with an odd deck now and then. ;) > No...Mummify sends them to torpor _and_ causes 1 pool loss to your prey. Actually, I wasn't very clear here. I meant that currently the Setites biggest combat tool is S:CE via presence. Then my thought jumped to Mummify being like Fame. With Fame on the vampire, the S:CE wouldn't get them to torpor. But the Mummify would. I apologize for being incomplete there. Ah well. > At superior, they can. Besides, I'd have another vampire with Humanitas and > Labyrinth (I think) so that rescue from diablerie actions are at +2 stealth and > cost 2 less pool. The Labyrinth is that Nossie-only master to give +1 stealth. I think you meant the Catacombs to go with the Humanitas. But yes, this would be a good combo to go with that type of strategy. > All it requires is a sup. Serpentis and master cards. It wouldn't be easy, but > it would be possible. Sure, possible. I was thinking about it in terms of "Is it worth it?" I don't think anyone would play it that way, just because it wouldn't be as easy as with Fame. Some people might, just because they like the challenge. But I think most people would shy away from it. However: Setites are fantastic bleeders though, so, unlike with Fame/fortitude decks, you wouldn't have to play a Day Op to get into torpor. Your prey will want to block you to keep away from that big bleed that's going to add to your pool. And if you wanted to get that bleed through anyway you could just slap a few stealth onto it. If it's bounced and then blocked, you get into combat, Mummify and hurt your prey anyway. Quite efficient. In that way you don't even need the fortitude. Hmm...I think I'm talking myself into this deck, with the proposed version of Mummify, being quite viable. I think you won me over here. Maybe I even helped you. =) p.

>Actually, I wasn't very clear here. I meant that currently the Setites biggest >combat tool is S:CE via presence. Then my thought jumped to Mummify being like >Fame. With Fame on the vampire, the S:CE wouldn't get them to torpor. But the >Mummify would. I apologize for being incomplete there. Ah well. > Am I missing something here? I thought that Mummify + Fame was a good combo? For example, I bleed my prey with Fame-ous Kephamos. My prey blocks. I Mummify Kephamos at superior. My prey loses three pool. Kephamos leaves torpor and calls KRC with a Bewitching Oration...

Fame has been erratafied (word?). Now the controller loses the pool, not his prey. p.

> For example, I bleed my prey with Fame-ous Kephamos. My prey blocks. I > Mummify Kephamos at superior. My prey loses three pool. Kephamos leaves > torpor and calls KRC with a Bewitching Oration... Except that Fame doesn't work that way anymore. Read the most current errata. Sorrow --- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eric Topp wrote in message <7f4qva$d87$1...@black.interact.net.au>... >Am I missing something here? I thought that Mummify + Fame was a good combo? > Not according to the current errata. Fame was modified due to its ease of abuse by unblockable fortitude modifiers (Day Op, etc.), among other reasons. >For example, I bleed my prey with Fame-ous Kephamos. My prey blocks. I >Mummify Kephamos at superior. My prey loses three pool. Kephamos leaves >torpor and calls KRC with a Bewitching Oration... > Your example is correct by strict card text. Errata makes Fame pool loss affect the Famous vamp's _controller_ rather than their prey. It makes it an interesting pseudo-bleed option for combat decks. RDZ

Eric Topp wrote: > Am I missing something here? I thought that Mummify + Fame was a good combo? > > For example, I bleed my prey with Fame-ous Kephamos. My prey blocks. I > Mummify Kephamos at superior. My prey loses three pool. Kephamos leaves > torpor and calls KRC with a Bewitching Oration... Fame has been errata'ed. It now costs the controller of the vampire (not the Prey) three pool when the vampire goes to torpor. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html

Patrick Harris wrote in message <3715FBF5...@alpinetaxi.com>... >Fame has been erratafied (word?). Now the controller loses the pool, not his >prey. I like it P. :> Erratafied (verb) The alteration of the state of an abstract ruling, modification of a stated proposition to bring (actual) function into line with (ideal) intent. 1. The rules team has ~ thoughts betrayed 2. No, you can't play it how it reads on the card, its been ~ Colloq. Man they've ~ the s$!t out of it, its f#@king wallpaper. Floatey.

In article <7evn3k$3bs$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dhar...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <37135120...@alpinetaxi.com>, > Patrick Harris <alp...@alpinetaxi.com> wrote: > > > During playtesting AH, Mummify had the same effect as is printed now, with > > > the addition, that your prey burned one pool when the vamp hit torpor. > > > IMO it was quite useful then. > > > > That would work for me as well. I'll have to suggest that to our playgroup. > > p. > > Heh. A "mini-Fame" card. By using multiple Haven Uncovered, and Ambush and > a Bum's Rush, you could bounce the vampire in and out of torpor several times > in a deck. Which reminds me... > > I think my next bizarre deck will be a Setite rush combat deck. Cool. :) May be that it is a bit like Fame. But OTOH, you need SER to make the vamp able to rescue himself. But I think the FoS could use any bit of help they get. Carl [ quoted text not captured ]