(LSJ) Nergal questions

Hello, a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of the action card to 1 blood? b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the card to 1 blood? c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his special for this turn ? d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's special "tainted" for the rest of the turn? Thanks. Nergal Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Baali Group: 5 Capacity: 10 Discipline: AUS DAI FOR OBF PRE THA Independent: Once each turn, Nergal may reduce the cost of a card he plays by one blood. +2 bleed. Infernal.

floppyzedolfin <floppyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/1a0e0cfa83c42f7b/d3561d274f449d96 It should answer your questions like this: > a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 > blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the > action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of > the action card to 1 blood? Yes. > b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed > is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the > card to 1 blood? Yes. > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his > special for this turn ? No. > d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone > cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's > special "tainted" for the rest of the turn? No.

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > floppyzedolfin <floppyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival: > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/1a0e0cfa83c42f7b/d3561d274f449d96 > > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal > > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); > > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his > > special for this turn ? > No. Wait a minute, this one was a trick question. The answer to this one is "Moot", since Nergal is forced to use his special. It's not "tainted", because the action still resolves.

[ quoted text not captured ] > > No. [ quoted text not captured ] Wait another minute.. ignore this "wait a minute" completely, as I can't do math when I just woke up. I wish there was a way to cancel usenet posts :) The answer to this one is actually "I'm not sure but I think it's no".

> a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 > blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the > action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of > the action card to 1 blood? IANLSJ He does NOT have to use his ability, he can allow the action to fizzle as he doesn't have enough blood to pay for it, similar to any other vampire who no longer has the blood to pay for an action when it resolves. > > b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed > is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the > card to 1 blood? IANLSJ You can't attempt an action unless you can pay for it, so he must announce he is reducing the cost as it is announced. > > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his > special for this turn ? > IANLSJ He used his ability to reduce the cost as the action was announced, his ability is used up already this turn. > d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone > cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's > special "tainted" for the rest of the turn? IANLSJ but I believe that DI and sudden refund all costs paid, as if they didn't happen. Such as Vidal Jarbeaux could play Renegade Garou and if it were DI'ed he didn't meat the Gangrel req yet this game. Honestly I am a little fuzzy on this last one.

On 17 oct, 12:52, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t... > Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions. > It should answer your questions like this: > > > a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 > > blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the > > action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of > > the action card to 1 blood? > > Yes. If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I actually read this http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/846ecc006ab0dba7 as a "No." to my question. > > b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed > > is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the > > card to 1 blood? > > Yes. Probably. > > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal > > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); > > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his > > special for this turn ? > > No. Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would have had to use his special (per b/). http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/298cfbad07d1bc67 seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action. > > d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone > > cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's > > special "tainted" for the rest of the turn? > > No. The only "almost-related" link I could find was this one : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8a1193221154922a I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another direction (reduce cost before DI rather than when paying for card) : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fa36cf89dfdfc07f

On Oct 20, 10:25 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17 oct, 12:52, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > > > floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t... > > Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions. > > > It should answer your questions like this: > > > > a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 > > > blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the > > > action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of > > > the action card to 1 blood? > > > Yes. > > If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I > actually read thishttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/846e... > as a "No." to my question. > > > > b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed > > > is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the > > > card to 1 blood? > > > Yes. > > Probably. > > > > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal > > > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); > > > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his > > > special for this turn ? > > > No. > > Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would > have had to use his special (per b/).http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/298c... > seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action. > > > > d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone > > > cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's > > > special "tainted" for the rest of the turn? > > > No. > > The only "almost-related" link I could find was this one :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8a11... > > I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another > direction (reduce cost before DI rather than when paying for card) :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fa36... However, Nergal doesn't have to engage his ability until a card resolves that requires blood payment. So until you "have to pay" Nergal can wait and not use his text.

floppyzedolfin wrote: > On 17 oct, 12:52, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: >> floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello, >> Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t... > > Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions. > >> It should answer your questions like this: >> >>> a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1 >>> blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the >>> action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of >>> the action card to 1 blood? >> Yes. > > If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I > actually read this http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/846ecc006ab0dba7 > as a "No." to my question. Correct ("No"). >>> b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed >>> is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the >>> card to 1 blood? >> Yes. > > Probably. Correct (and also per the link you gave above). >>> c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal >>> burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance); >>> and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his >>> special for this turn ? >> No. > > Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would > have had to use his special (per b/). > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/298cfbad07d1bc67 > seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action. "No" is correct. He hasn't used his special. >>> d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone >>> cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's >>> special "tainted" for the rest of the turn? >> No. > > The only "almost-related" link I could find was this one : > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8a1193221154922a > > I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another > direction (reduce cost before DI rather than when paying for card) : > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fa36cf89dfdfc07f "No" is correct.

Thanks for the answers! Someone (else) came up with this one : Nergal plays Exile (cost: 2 blood) while on 1 blood. Can Nergal play Elder Impersonation (cost: 1 blood) during this action? I think he can, since when wants to play Elder Imp, he hasn't used his special for the turn yet.

[ quoted text not captured ] I guess the real question would be: "what sort of mechanism would make the answer no?"