Somebody pointed out the other day that Obedience never actually
mentions that combat is avoided, and lo and behold, it's true!
Theoretically, by the wording on the card, people just untap then have
at it like regular combat.
Also, if this is the case, what happens in the cases of Cat's Guidance
and Kiss of Ra? If Obedience prevents combat, perhaps Cat's Guidance
does, too. Also, at the regular level of KoR, is combat avoided or does it
continue as scheduled?
Should there be errata for these cases?
John Baker
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John M. Baker wrote:
>
> Somebody pointed out the other day that Obedience never actually
> mentions that combat is avoided, and lo and behold, it's true!
VtES card text:
Obedience - Dominate - Reaction
Only usable when this reacting vampire is about to enter combat with
an acting younger vampire. Instead of entering combat, this vampire
remains untapped; untap the acting vampire. The acting vampire is
blocked, and he or she cannot attempt the same action this turn.
As above, but do not untap the acting vampire.
"Instead of entering combat"
> Also, if this is the case, what happens in the cases of Cat's Guidance
> and Kiss of Ra? If Obedience prevents combat, perhaps Cat's Guidance
> does, too.
No.
> Also, at the regular level of KoR, is combat avoided or does it
> continue as scheduled?
The action becomes blocked. Combat occurs as normal.
--
L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com)
Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
(*) - Subject to review by Rules Team
LSJ (VtES Rep) wrote:
>
> John M. Baker wrote:
> > Also, at the regular level of KoR, is combat avoided or does it
> > continue as scheduled?
>
> The action becomes blocked. Combat occurs as normal.
Hmm. Scratch that.
Tom Wylie ruled (1996/06/04) that combat doesn't occur after
Kiss of Ra.
Which seems to be at odds with the ruling (1997/04/25) that (if
the acting vampire was leaving torpor) the would-be blocker can
still exercise his option to diablerize the acting vampire.
I think the former ruling is th right one, since Kiss of Ra is
played "when a vampire ... attempts to block" (i.e., before the
block is successful). Then Kiss of Ra itself blocks the action
(not the blocking vampire). So, combat should not occur and
diablerie should not be an option for the blocking vampire when
the acting vampire is acting fomr torpor. (*)
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John M. Baker wrote:
> LSJ (VtES Rep) wrote:
> > "Instead of entering combat"
> >
> Sabbat card text:>
> Obedience - Dominate - Reaction
> Only usable when this reacting vampire is about to enter combat with> an acting younger vampire. Untap the acting vampire. The acting> is blocked, and he or she cannot attempt the same action this turn.> As above, but do not tap the acting vampire.
>
> No "Instead of entering combat"
>
> Needs errata?
(Doh!) Yes.
It is currently akin to (inferior) Cat's Guidance.
Errata is required to turn it back into the V:tES use.
I'll send this to the RT.
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