[SPOILER] Lorrie Dunsirn Errata?

This came up at the prerelease tournament in State College yesterday (thanks Tobin!), but I don't think it came up during play because I don't think anyone actually played with her. Lorrie's text reads: "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional pool." I think we decided yesterday that since it says it costs HER an additional pool, and Lorrie doesn't have any pool, that it's supposed to read "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional blood." If her non-hunt actions were to cost pool, they would read "Non-hunt actions she performs cost an additional pool." or something to that effect. So, do her non-hunt actions cost blood or pool? Thanks a bunch. John Eno (amused that Lorrie's beast is permanently drawn out)

kushiel wrote: > This came up at the prerelease tournament in State College yesterday > (thanks Tobin!), but I don't think it came up during play because I > don't think anyone actually played with her. > > Lorrie's text reads: "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional pool." I > think we decided yesterday that since it says it costs HER an > additional pool, and Lorrie doesn't have any pool, that it's supposed > to read "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional blood." If her > non-hunt actions were to cost pool, they would read "Non-hunt actions > she performs cost an additional pool." or something to that effect. It means the latter. Pool. No errata. > So, do her non-hunt actions cost blood or pool? Thanks a bunch. An additional pool. Going anarch would cost her two blood and one pool (assuming you have no other ready anarchs). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

kushiel wrote: > Lorrie's text reads: "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional pool." I > think we decided yesterday that since it says it costs HER an > additional pool, and Lorrie doesn't have any pool, that it's supposed > to read "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional blood." If her > non-hunt actions were to cost pool, they would read "Non-hunt actions > she performs cost an additional pool." or something to that effect. I think it is supposed to cost an additional pool. So if she does anything other than hunt, you have to pay a pool. 'Cause actions that vampires take can cost pool--see, like, Clandestine Contract or Patronage. I think if her non hunt actions cost an extra *blood*, she'd be, like, the best vampire ever. > So, do her non-hunt actions cost blood or pool? Thanks a bunch. Seems likely it is pool, like written. It is just written unweilily. As already pointed out, even if you have to build a lot of wacky infrastructure around her (give her Guardian Angel, give her intercept with media locations, give her obfuscate so she can Hidden Lurker in, whatever), she is totally worth it. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "How does this end?" "In fire." Emperor Turhan and Kosh

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:53:50 -0500, Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: >I think it is supposed to cost an additional pool. So if she does anything >other than hunt, you have to pay a pool. 'Cause actions that vampires take >can cost pool--see, like, Clandestine Contract or Patronage. I think if her >non hunt actions cost an extra *blood*, she'd be, like, the best vampire >ever. Without testing her on field, I'd say she is at least one of the best vampires ever printed in group 4. Sometimes I think that some players give to much leeway to disabilities because they just want to be able to whack stuff as much as possible without any hindrance. Like combat was easy to pull off to begin with. Paying a pool here and there is not more of a problem than it is for combat decks if you can save some space in combat cards - and if you're using Lorraine you can pretty much make a combat module out of Immortal Grapple, Disarm and a few prevention cards, no more. >As already pointed out, even if you have to build a lot of wacky >infrastructure around her (give her Guardian Angel, give her intercept with >media locations, give her obfuscate so she can Hidden Lurker in, whatever), >she is totally worth it. I personally believe that's easier to deal with her pool requirement than it is to cope with infernalism, even with the new rules, or with disabilities like Pariah's tapping when you do not play a master card. There are many ways of generating pool. There are less ways to assure you'll have a master card to play every turn without coggling your hand. best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor ----------------------------------------------------- V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now) http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/

Peter D Bakija wrote: > kushiel wrote: > > > Lorrie's text reads: "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional pool." I > > think we decided yesterday that since it says it costs HER an > > additional pool, and Lorrie doesn't have any pool, that it's supposed > > to read "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional blood." If her > > non-hunt actions were to cost pool, they would read "Non-hunt actions > > she performs cost an additional pool." or something to that effect. > > Seems likely it is pool, like written. It is just written unweilily. > > As already pointed out, even if you have to build a lot of wacky > infrastructure around her (give her Guardian Angel, give her intercept with > media locations, give her obfuscate so she can Hidden Lurker in, whatever), > she is totally worth it. > Neat. The first ruling I make and it turns out to be wrong. Darn. I guess if I would have thought about it from a meta-game perspective I might have ruled differently. It also would have changed the heck out of the 3rd rd game where she was bleeding me for 1 every turn and I sure as hell wasn't going to block her. Tobin -tpl

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> schreef in bericht news:BE3E54FE.1D914%pd...@lightlink.com... [ quoted text not captured ] 2 words: trophy: domain :)

Jeroen Rombouts wrote: > 2 words: trophy: domain :) Speaking of which, Trophy: Domain is deliriously good. Clearly one of the better, if not the best, trophies that came up in the local prerelease. It's so good that it's almost worth making one of your own minions Red List and then putting him into torpor and diablerising with another vampire so that you get to put the trophy to good use. :) --CV

The Cadaverous Verger a écrit : > Jeroen Rombouts wrote: > >> 2 words: trophy: domain :) > > > Speaking of which, Trophy: Domain is deliriously good. Clearly one of > the better, if not the best, trophies that came up in the local prerelease. care to explain ? :)

Lorrie Dunsirn rocks. I used her to great affect in the Pre-release held yesterday. With limited amounts of stealth and combat, the built in press, +1 strength, and additional strike were extremely effective. I was playing a Baali starter, and I put her in anyway, and she kicked-butt (torped quite a few vampires). She was particularly effective at knocking out red-listers (so what if it costs me a pool to do it!).

reyda wrote: > care to explain ? :) Card text follows. Trophy: Domain Master. Trophy. The vampire with this card has +1 intercept. Once each action, this vampire can burn 1 blood to untap and attempt to block. --CV

The Cadaverous Verger wrote: > It's so good that it's almost worth making one of your own minions Red > List and then putting him into torpor and diablerising with another > vampire so that you get to put the trophy to good use. :) Diablerizing one of your own is neither a (D) action nor a combat, so would not garner you any Trophies. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Diablerizing one of your own is neither a (D) action nor a combat, so > would not garner you any Trophies. True, that. Wasn't thinking clearly with all the buzz going on in my head about the new cards. Stupid idea anyway. :) --CV

[ quoted text not captured ] Uriah Winter? :) [ quoted text not captured ]

Negatory. Diablerizing your own vampire is a non-(D) action, thus not triggering the Red List quality. Sorry.

I still don´t get this "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional pool."-wording. "Her"? Lorrie doesn´t have a pool or? Shouldn´t it be "cost her controller"?

> I still don´t get this "Non-hunt actions cost her an additional > pool."-wording. "Her"? Lorrie doesn´t have a pool or? Shouldn´t it be > "cost her controller"? > Well, if it said "you," it would increase the cost of *all* your Minion's actions.

Fabio "Sooner" wrote: > Without testing her on field, I'd say she is at least one of the best > vampires ever printed in group 4. She sure was great in the prerelease environment as part of an Alastor deck. She was a great bleed blocker--very little stealth in draft--and when she did take actions, she usually got blocked, saving me pool. I credit her with winning the only game I had her in.

Henrik Klippstr?m wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Same thing. See previous response. [ quoted text not captured ]