These questions were recently posed:
Is Xaviar considered titled just because he has votes? Also there's a
card called Anarch Secession which can make titled vamps anarchs, so
just wondered if that makes any difference.
My response was:
To answer your first question a quote from the rule book:
10.3. Independents
Other clans are not aligned with either sect; they are called
Independent. Any clan not listed above as belonging to the Camarilla or
the Sabbat is Independent. These vampires are identified simply as
"Independent" on card text. Some vampire cards from older sets are
identified as "Non-Camarilla" on card text -- these vampires are all
Independent vampires. Independent vampires are both "Non-Camarilla" and
"Non-Sabbat."
Some Independent vampires may start with votes, as listed on card text.
Treat these vampires as if they had titles of their own.
So if you are independant and have votes then you are considered
titled.
As for Anarch Session, the card text reads:
Anarch Secession [KMW:R]
Cardtype: Action
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready, non-anarch, titled vampire.
Put an anarch counter on this acting vampire. This vampire becomes
anarch (and Independent). If he or she had a city title, he or she
becomes the baron of the same city as his or her previous title.
Minions without titles cannot block this action. Burn the anarch
counter if this vampire changes sects.
So it is possible for Xavier to play this card but he does not have a
city title. I imagine he keeps the 2 votes... but say if he comes a
baron he would loose his previous two votes as according to:
10. Vampire Sects
Some of the various clans of vampires have grouped themselves into
sects. Each sect represents clans with similar philosophies and goals.
Each sect has its own codes of conduct and its own political structure
and titles.
No matter what sect, a vampire cannot have more than one title. If a
vampire with a title gains another, he loses the first title, even if
the new title would be a demotion. If a vampire with a contested title
(see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) gains a title, he immediately yields
the contested title.
Is my response correct?
Andrew Daley
PoS
dal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> These questions were recently posed:
> Is Xaviar considered titled just because he has votes?
Yes. "1 vote" and "2 votes" are titles. "Additional vote", for
reference, is not a title, so, eg, Genevieve is not titled.
> So it is possible for Xavier to play this card but he does not have a
> city title. I imagine he keeps the 2 votes... but say if he comes a
> baron he would loose his previous two votes as according to:
Yes, Xavier can play AS to become Anarch. He keeps his two votes,
because the independant titles of "1 vote" and "2 votes" are not tied to
sect (he would keep them even if he became Sabbat or Camarilla, as well.)
If he gains the baron title, he loses his existing title, yes.
> Is my response correct?
Yes.
--Colin McGuigan
What if Sonja Blue successfully took her action to remove a vampire's
title? Would he lose his votes? By the same token, what if he was
elected Firebrand and Sonja removed that title, would he still be able
to pay a blood to untap a younger anarch?
Sonja Blue [KMW:U]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ventrue
Group: 4
Capacity: 5
Discipline: dom pot CEL FOR PRE
Independent: Gain 4 pool when Sonja is moved to the ready region in
your influence phase. Sonja may remove a vampire's title as a (D)
action. She may block as an ally (but remains a vampire in combat).
During your prey's discard phase, your predator may burn 1 pool to move
Sonja to his or her ready region. If Sonja leaves play, remove her from
the game.
Preston wrote:
> What if Sonja Blue successfully took her action to remove a vampire's
> title? Would he lose his votes?
Yes.
> By the same token, what if he was
> elected Firebrand and Sonja removed that title, would he still be
able
> to pay a blood to untap a younger anarch?
Firebrand (and any other card that grants "additional votes" asopposed
to just "has X votes") does not grant a title. He keeps his Firebrand
vote (and other Firebrand abilities) regardless of his title (or lack).
John
"Preston" <preston...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Sonja Blue [KMW:U]
> Cardtype: Vampire
> Clan: Ventrue
> Group: 4
> Capacity: 5
> Discipline: dom pot CEL FOR PRE
> Independent: Gain 4 pool when Sonja is moved to the ready region in
> your influence phase. Sonja may remove a vampire's title as a (D)
> action. She may block as an ally (but remains a vampire in combat).
What is meant by "block as an ally"?
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In message <CJmdnT_sMvo...@speakeasy.net>, Colin McGuigan
<magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> writes:
>"Additional vote", for reference, is not a title, so, eg, Genevieve is
>not titled.
Erm, Genevieve is most certainly titled. That little title on her is
what does it.
--
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carl wrote:
>>Sonja Blue [KMW:U]> What is meant by "block as an ally"?
She can block as an ally.
This could be interesting, say, if only allies (i.e., not vampires)
could block, like in a Day Operation.
--
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 22:49:55 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk>
scrawled:
>In message <CJmdnT_sMvo...@speakeasy.net>, Colin McGuigan
><magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> writes:>>"Additional vote", for reference, is not a title, so, eg, Genevieve is
>>not titled.>
>Erm, Genevieve is most certainly titled. That little title on her is
>what does it.
to expand upon what james said for those that don't have her text
memorised, she has a "priscus" title, AS WELL AS, "an additional vote
in the main referendum".
thus, if she changes sects, she loses the priscus title until she
rejoins the sabbat, but still has her "additional vote", which isn't a
title.
salem
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm
(replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)
On 13 May 2005 04:55:43 -0700, dal...@iinet.net.au scrawled:
>So if you are independant and have votes then you are considered
>titled.
almost. if you are independant and START with votes you are considered
titled. ie: they're printed in your text box.
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James Coupe wrote:
> In message <CJmdnT_sMvo...@speakeasy.net>, Colin McGuigan
> <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> writes:
>>>"Additional vote", for reference, is not a title, so, eg, Genevieve is
>>not titled.>
>
> Erm, Genevieve is most certainly titled. That little title on her is
> what does it.
Um. Er. Um. Not after Sonja Blue is done with her?
--Colin McGuigan
"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message
news:NQ9he.208$M36...@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> carl wrote:
> >>Sonja Blue [KMW:U]
> > What is meant by "block as an ally"?
>
> She can block as an ally.
> This could be interesting, say, if only allies (i.e., not vampires)
> could block, like in a Day Operation.
Ahhh. Don't have that one/never seen it.
My only complaint about vtes is just how rare some cards actuaslly are - but
I appreciate that's the point (and the revenue) of ccg.
carl wrote:
> Ahhh. Don't have that one/never seen it.
> My only complaint about vtes is just how rare some cards actuaslly are - but
> I appreciate that's the point (and the revenue) of ccg.
Daring the Dawn, which you also may or may not have, is better in just
about every single way possible.
--Colin McGuigan
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No. Well, mostly... ;) There are two distinct advantages Day Operation
has over Daring the Dawn (to ofset he numerous disadvantages, true):
1. It can serve to diversify your unblockable punch so that a DI-ed
Daring the Dawn still allows you an option to go unblockable (even if
likely at a slightly greater cost).
2. If you have inferior fortitude, but can somehow reduce the costs,
like with Ankara Citadel or Masochism counters or whatnot, you save a
blood off your vamp.
--
Bye,
Daneel
Daneel wrote:
> No. Well, mostly... ;) There are two distinct advantages Day Operation
> has over Daring the Dawn (to ofset he numerous disadvantages, true):
> 1. It can serve to diversify your unblockable punch so that a DI-ed
> Daring the Dawn still allows you an option to go unblockable (even if
> likely at a slightly greater cost).
> 2. If you have inferior fortitude, but can somehow reduce the costs,
> like with Ankara Citadel or Masochism counters or whatnot, you save a
> blood off your vamp.
Let me repeat, with some emphasis: "in *just about* every way possible"
--Colin McGuigan
On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:53:35 +1200, "carl" <mist...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Hmm, don't think so.
Barring a handful of rares - War Ghoul, Powerbase: Montreal, the rare
vampires from Final Nights, Giant's Blood, Golconda, Dragonbound and
others that amount to at most 1 or 2 Rares per set - it is fairly easy
to find all rares for a fair enough and affordable price at eBay and
sites that sell singles, like TheLasombra.
Even these "most wanted" Rares pop up ever so often on eBay if you're
willing to pay 10 to 30 dollars each (varies according to the card and
availability at that time). I've almost completed a "set" of Final
Nights rare vampires (3 copies each save for Ezmerelda, I still need
one more) this way, paying something around 10-12 dollares each.
Day Operation is fairly easy to find for much less money than that.
Daring the Dawn is another matter, but at least it is a fixed card on
two starters, Ravnos and !Ventrue. The latter is still in print.
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
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Fabio Sooner Macedo wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:53:35 +1200, "carl" <mist...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm, don't think so.
> Barring a handful of rares - War Ghoul, Powerbase: Montreal, the rare
> vampires from Final Nights, Giant's Blood, Golconda, Dragonbound and
> others that amount to at most 1 or 2 Rares per set - it is fairly
easy
> to find all rares for a fair enough and affordable price at eBay and
> sites that sell singles, like TheLasombra.
>
Not sure why Golconda or Giant's Blood would be very expensive. Of
course, I've never tried to buy them myself, got plenty from the times
when a box of Jyhad boosters was $10.
> Even these "most wanted" Rares pop up ever so often on eBay if you're
> willing to pay 10 to 30 dollars each (varies according to the card
and
> availability at that time). I've almost completed a "set" of Final
> Nights rare vampires (3 copies each save for Ezmerelda, I still need
> one more) this way, paying something around 10-12 dollares each.
>
10 to 30 dollars? That's a bit on the high side. Most of the hardest
to get rares that I've bought or tried to bid for (Blanket of Night,
Shroud of Absence) went for under $10. And if you check the
vtesinla.org listing of ebay prices, there are only a few cards with
avg price higher than $10 and the most expensive is Meddling of
Semsmith (a promo) at $18.16.
On 16 May 2005 15:06:23 -0700, "Chris Berger"
<ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
>Fabio Sooner Macedo wrote:>> On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:53:35 +1200, "carl" <mist...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, don't think so.
>> Barring a handful of rares - War Ghoul, Powerbase: Montreal, the rare
>> vampires from Final Nights, Giant's Blood, Golconda, Dragonbound and
>> others that amount to at most 1 or 2 Rares per set - it is fairly>easy>> to find all rares for a fair enough and affordable price at eBay and
>> sites that sell singles, like TheLasombra.
>>>Not sure why Golconda or Giant's Blood would be very expensive. Of
>course, I've never tried to buy them myself, got plenty from the times
>when a box of Jyhad boosters was $10.
I've seen some Golconda selling around $10. I guess this is going to
happen as time passes since Jyhad boosters are still available, but
not everyone has access to them - you can only find them online here
and there.
Still, if it was an exception and Golconda/Giant's Blood usually sells
for less, it just adds up to the point of the original post ;)
>> Even these "most wanted" Rares pop up ever so often on eBay if you're
>> willing to pay 10 to 30 dollars each (varies according to the card>and>> availability at that time). I've almost completed a "set" of Final
>> Nights rare vampires (3 copies each save for Ezmerelda, I still need
>> one more) this way, paying something around 10-12 dollares each.
>>>10 to 30 dollars? That's a bit on the high side. Most of the hardest
>to get rares that I've bought or tried to bid for (Blanket of Night,
>Shroud of Absence) went for under $10. And if you check the
>vtesinla.org listing of ebay prices, there are only a few cards with
>avg price higher than $10 and the most expensive is Meddling of
>Semsmith (a promo) at $18.16.
I was using the full range of prices, minimum to maximum, not the
average. I've seen War Ghoul and Ezmerelda selling for something
around $28. I've payed $10 for an Augustus, and gave up on another
copy just one week later because it went up to $15. Of course the $10
to $30 is a bit of a stretch, but necessary - don't want any potential
seeker to yell at me later something like "but you said I could find
War Ghoul for $12, I'm biddin' on this copy on eBay and it's going for
more than $20!" and such.
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War Ghoul - never seen it
Powerbase: Montreal - seen it once in anothers collection but not played
the rare vampires from Final Nights (dunno which ones)
Giant's Blood - 3 copies
Golconda - 2 or 3 copies
Dragonbound - never seen
Blanket of Night - seen once in anothers collection but not played
Shroud of Absence -never seen it
I got a bit wary after getting to the bottom of a box (anarch) and getting
exactly the same boosters 2 or 3 times in one box.
I like that they can be traded but it would take me 3 days work to get $20US
to spend and thats not including P&P international or the possibility of
being ripped off/lost.
I do think I have Daring the Dawn somewhere.
Note to self: must get around to inventory...
On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:24:45 +1200, "carl" <mist...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I like that they can be traded but it would take me 3 days work to get $20US
>to spend and thats not including P&P international or the possibility of
>being ripped off/lost.
Oh, I understand. I had to sell a few Rares on eBay to get the money
to buy the final nights rare vampires (the 11 caps or each Clan,
Augustus Giovanni, Ezmerelda, Sutekh and Ur-Shulgi).
But about being ripped off/lost, just check the seller's reputation by
seeing his feedback, if you someday decide to try eBay. It's fairly
accurate on who you can trust or not. Never had problems with it.
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now)
http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/
In message <Whtie.705$U4.1...@news.xtra.co.nz>, carl
<mist...@hotmail.com> writes:
>I got a bit wary after getting to the bottom of a box (anarch) and getting
>exactly the same boosters 2 or 3 times in one box.
The old tactic with buying boxes of boosters is to find a friend who's
buying a box. Buy two. Then each of you take half from each box.
Worked out quite well with some of the Wizards of the Coast sets.
Sometimes, a box really did seem to have a lot of the same cards in it
and none of others.
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"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:vaiRW5vd...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <Whtie.705$U4.1...@news.xtra.co.nz>, carl
> <mist...@hotmail.com> writes:>>I got a bit wary after getting to the bottom of a box (anarch) and getting
>>exactly the same boosters 2 or 3 times in one box.>
> The old tactic with buying boxes of boosters is to find a friend who's
> buying a box. Buy two. Then each of you take half from each box.
>
> Worked out quite well with some of the Wizards of the Coast sets.
> Sometimes, a box really did seem to have a lot of the same cards in it
> and none of others.
Huh? I recall Legends having an "A"/"B" box issue (I think it was Legends -
that was a long time ago) where a strategy like this might have done some
good. In almost all other case it's likely to do nothing whatsoever at best.
The way I'm guessing both Magic and VtES and probalby quite a few others
are printed nowadays, I'd bet this is likely to actually hurt your chances
of getting a better spread of cards. That's because in most boxes I've
opened for a number of years, the rares seem like they're taken from
consecutive spots on a rare sheet. Sometimes there's a "bump" or a glitch
where you might get some doubling up and I think this is where people have
gotten the wrong idea about the process. But by and large, I'd rather have
my 36 rares from all the same box rather than from different boxes.
I'm not sure people understand this, but if they want the best spread on
rares, they actually want LESS randomness in the process - as long as the
non-random pattern is a favorable one. From my observation opening boxes,
I'm pretty sure there's a pattern (more or less) and I'm pretty sure it's
a relatively favorable one. It just doesn't inevitably prevent doubles.
But it does seem to do a pretty good job of eliminating triples or worse,
which I'd guess off hand would be much more common were the rares
distributed in a truly random fashion.
Fred
"Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote
> I'm not sure people understand this, but if they want the best spread on
> rares, they actually want LESS randomness in the process - as long as the
> non-random pattern is a favorable one.
That why I went to buying a box or half-box, hoping to get a good
rare-spread per box but it didn't work out that well (however I admit, I
doubt the Anarch boosters were the best example of this.)
I reasoned that if I chose randomly I ran a purely statistical chance of
getting a new (or at least one I had few of) rare. If I got a box then
there was a hope to improve those odds by a little. Not many buyers/traders
round here to even up the rare-trades but we hope to influence out a few
more.
"Fabio "Sooner"" <fabio_...@NOSPAMterra.com.br> wrote
> Oh, I understand. I had to sell a few Rares on eBay to get the money
> to buy the final nights rare vampires (the 11 caps or each Clan,
> Augustus Giovanni, Ezmerelda, Sutekh and Ur-Shulgi).
Thanks muchly.
Augustus is rare? I already have two and that's only out of about
15boosters.
Might have to see about selling one off.
So thanks again.
In message <S4yie.803$U4.1...@news.xtra.co.nz>, carl
<mist...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Augustus is rare?
Details of card rarity are listed on the White Wolf website:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Cardlist_a
Augustus Giovanni [FN:R]
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:52:37 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk>
wrote:
>In message <S4yie.803$U4.1...@news.xtra.co.nz>, carl
><mist...@hotmail.com> writes:>>Augustus is rare?>
>Details of card rarity are listed on the White Wolf website:
>http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Cardlist_a
>Augustus Giovanni [FN:R]
Additionally, Final Nights (and all sets from Anarchs onward) have the
Rare card as the last one in the booster.
About drawing out 2 Augustus, that's the sort of thing that happens
when you buy/pick boosters random out of the box. You get 15 packs,
double copies of some rares, and no signal of a good bunch of other
Rares. That's why I still don't have a single Seal of Veddartha, per
example - I chose to buy Gehenna boosters in small quantities, and
after what?, 40 or 50 packs, I still lack some events and other Rares
from that set.
Buying a KMW box and a few extra packs and doin' a little trade net me
almost all rares - only Sudario Refraction, Trophy: Diablerie and NSA
Trio are missing.
Both methods costed me roughly the same amount of money but the second
had better results, so...
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:57:14 -0300, "Fabio \"Sooner\""
<fabio_...@NOSPAMterra.com.br> wrote:
>It changed a lot since WW took the game, I think.
>
>At least I didn't have any similar experience with Final Nights,
>Bloodlines, Black Hand and KMW boxes. Same quantity of most cards. The
>worst scenario was getting three copies of some KMW vamps and just one
>of others, but got 36 different rares and 4 to 6 copies of each
>common.
Whereas I went the other way. 21 different rares (15 duplicates).
Including 2 Mind of a Killer. 4 paired Trophies, 4 no Trophies. Yay
me! I also got 8 Crusades in my half box of Black Hand, but the other
half didn't end up being too bad for my friend.
Morgan Vening