A question about Bauble...

When the minion that played Bauble is burned, torpored, or removed from play is the "chosen equipment" also burned? There's the reverse situation listed on the card, but it seems an inexpensive way to equip very expensive equipment if the former isn't part of the card as well. Later As a brood of supplements and specials may lurch from the inky loins of a Sunday newspaper, so are there many answers to every question... Hanuman, the Monkey God Kevin Petker petk...@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

K.P. Petker wrote: > > When the minion that played Bauble is burned, torpored, or removed from > play is the "chosen equipment" also burned? There's the reverse > situation listed on the card, but it seems an inexpensive way to equip > very expensive equipment if the former isn't part of the card as well. No. (Burning a vampire is an inexpensive way of equipping?!) Similarly, Toreador Grand Ball would not be burned or otherwise affected if the host toreador was burned or torpored or whatever. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Washington, DC: http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | America's work-free Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | drug place

In article <5ekli2$d...@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>, petk...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (K.P. Petker) wrote: > >When the minion that played Bauble is burned, torpored, or removed from >play is the "chosen equipment" also burned? How can that minion be burned, torpored, or removed from the game while they are a piece of equipment? _That_ is the point of Bauble; the minion _becomes_ the equipment. > There's the reverse situation listed on the card, That's because the "reverse" situation is the only one that can happen. The minion is currently a piece of equipment, so if the equipment is destroyed, so is the minion. As equipment, the only thing the Baubled minion can do is un-Bauble.

In article <5en42j$f12$1...@decius.ultra.net>, Mark Amidon <fe...@hearth.ma.ultranet.com> wrote: >In article <5ekli2$d...@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>, > petk...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (K.P. Petker) wrote: >> >>When the minion that played Bauble is burned, torpored, or removed from >>play is the "chosen equipment" also burned? > >How can that minion be burned, torpored, or removed from the game while they >are a piece of equipment? _That_ is the point of Bauble; the minion _becomes_ >the equipment. But they can still be Haven Uncovered, rushed, or any other kind of direct attack... if they-as-vampire are burned, how come they-as-equipment still exist? >That's because the "reverse" situation is the only one that can happen. The >minion is currently a piece of equipment, so if the equipment is destroyed, so >is the minion. As equipment, the only thing the Baubled minion can do is >un-Bauble. But things can still be done unto them... later! [ quoted text not captured ]

Mark Amidon wrote: > > In article <5ekli2$d...@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>, > petk...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (K.P. Petker) wrote: > > > >When the minion that played Bauble is burned, torpored, or removed from > >play is the "chosen equipment" also burned? > > How can that minion be burned, torpored, or removed from the game while they > are a piece of equipment? _That_ is the point of Bauble; the minion _becomes_ > the equipment. > > > There's the reverse situation listed on the card, > > That's because the "reverse" situation is the only one that can happen. The > minion is currently a piece of equipment, so if the equipment is destroyed, so > is the minion. As equipment, the only thing the Baubled minion can do is > un-Bauble. And play reaction cards and non-acting-minion action modifiers (like Hidden Lurker and Cloak the Gathering). And fight back in combat. And be sacrificed to the Antidiluvians. And host a Toreador Ball (if a Toreador managed to get the Vis skill). etc. The point isn't that he becomes a peice of equipment. If it were, then card text should've had him turned face down (like a contested card) for the duration of the equipment. The point is more like creating a perfect manifestation of some equipment from nothing, or from some energy of the acting vampire. Such an act leaves the vampire weak and drained until the unreal equipment is gone. And, it's just a card game. The point of the card has nothing to do with anything except what card text is written on the card. The card text is what determines how the card affects the game. [ quoted text not captured ]

L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) wrote: : No. (Burning a vampire is an inexpensive way of equipping?!) I'd trade a two capacity vampire with vicissitude for an assault rifle anyday, wouldn't you? -Wallpaper Paste for all those useless cards