Giving info about cards in your hand

I have an odd question regarding giving information about a card in your hand. If you are playing in a game and someone who has either seen your deck or has heard about your deck asks you a specific question about a specific complicated card that your deck uses, are you obligated to give accurate information about the card in question even if it will reveal that you have the card in your hand? For Example: Meth A is playing a Kiasyd deck that uses The Grandest Trick. Meth B, the prey, asks a specific question regarding the card text of The Grandest Trick. Meth A does not have any Grandest Tricks in their ashheap and the available list of cards doesn't have the card text for The Grandest Trick. Not wanting to reveal that they have a Grandest Trick in hand, what are Methuselah A's choices? * Methuselah A offers to search their library for the card to give the correct card text and reshuffle after. If Meth B refuses, then too bad for Meth B if their assumptions about the card are incorrect? or if Meth B refuses: * Meth A is obligated to give accurate card text, so she looks down and reads the card text from the one in hand? In the situation that occurred, Meth A offered to search her Library for the card, Meth B refused. The card was looked up, but the list of cards that was available had not been updated. Meth A, without even glancing at her cards, then said "Well, if i recall correctly, the card does XYZ". The game goes on and when Meth A played the card, there was a slight error in what she had originally stated and Meth B got mad saying that she had intentionally mis-represented the card. So what would the proper course of action have been?

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Clan Cruitaire wrote: > I have an odd question regarding giving information about a card in > your hand. If you are playing in a game and someone who has either > seen your deck or has heard about your deck asks you a specific > question about a specific complicated card that your deck uses, are > you obligated to give accurate information about the card in question > even if it will reveal that you have the card in your hand? No. You are obliged not to misrepresent the card intentionally, however. > For Example: > > Meth A is playing a Kiasyd deck that uses The Grandest Trick. Meth B, > the prey, asks a specific question regarding the card text of The > Grandest Trick. Meth A does not have any Grandest Tricks in their > ashheap and the available list of cards doesn't have the card text for > The Grandest Trick. Not wanting to reveal that they have a Grandest > Trick in hand, what are Methuselah A's choices? > > * Methuselah A offers to search their library for the card to give the > correct card text and reshuffle after. If Meth B refuses, then too > bad for Meth B if their assumptions about the card are incorrect? or > if Meth B refuses: Illegal. No Methuselah can search any Methuselah's library without a specific effect that allows it. > * Meth A is obligated to give accurate card text, so she looks down > and reads the card text from the one in hand? No. She can, but she is not obliged to. > In the situation that occurred, Meth A offered to search her Library > for the card, Meth B refused. The card was looked up, but the list of > cards that was available had not been updated. Meth A, without even > glancing at her cards, then said "Well, if i recall correctly, the > card does XYZ". The game goes on and when Meth A played the card, > there was a slight error in what she had originally stated and Meth B > got mad saying that she had intentionally mis-represented the card. > > So what would the proper course of action have been? Play on. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

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LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3EBBF37D...@white-wolf.com>... > Clan Cruitaire wrote: > > I have an odd question regarding giving information about a card in > > your hand. If you are playing in a game and someone who has either > > seen your deck or has heard about your deck asks you a specific > > question about a specific complicated card that your deck uses, are > > you obligated to give accurate information about the card in question > > even if it will reveal that you have the card in your hand? > > No. You are obliged not to misrepresent the card intentionally, however. the obvious answer is "what does grandest tick do? man, you are doomed. doooooomed. you will fall before the unstoppable slaughter that shall be brought about by Grand Tricks. Fear me." or some other suitable comment. :) > > For Example: > > > > Meth A is playing a Kiasyd deck that uses The Grandest Trick. Meth B, > > the prey, asks a specific question regarding the card text of The > > Grandest Trick. Meth A does not have any Grandest Tricks in their > > ashheap and the available list of cards doesn't have the card text for > > The Grandest Trick. Not wanting to reveal that they have a Grandest > > Trick in hand, what are Methuselah A's choices? in this case, i feel, any information given by Methuselah A, whether off the top of the head knowledge or reading card in hand, is a pure bonus for Methuselah B. If meth B doesn't know what a card that hasn't even been played yet does, well tough. knowing what unseen cards might do is part of being a good VtES player. The other players should not be obliged to give the ignorant methuselah a 'leg-up'. I don't ask other Methuselahs to remind me to get a pool for holding the edge... from the on line tournament rules: "2.1. Event Knowledge Responsibilities Competitors, judges, and organizers involved in sanctioned tournaments are responsible for knowing and following the most current version of the V:EKN Tournament Rules and any other applicable regulatory documents, including the game rules and official errata." Note how competitors are required ot know the current rules of the game, including errata. [snip] > > So what would the proper course of action have been? > > Play on. always play on, especially in social games. it is, afterall, a game.:) salem.

salem_ch...@yahoo.com (salem) wrote in message news:<293af2cc.03050...@posting.google.com>... > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3EBBF37D...@white-wolf.com>... > > Clan Cruitaire wrote: > > > I have an odd question regarding giving information about a card in > > > your hand. If you are playing in a game and someone who has either > > > seen your deck or has heard about your deck asks you a specific > > > question about a specific complicated card that your deck uses, are > > > you obligated to give accurate information about the card in question > > > even if it will reveal that you have the card in your hand? > > > > No. You are obliged not to misrepresent the card intentionally, however. > > the obvious answer is "what does grandest tick do? man, you are > doomed. doooooomed. you will fall before the unstoppable slaughter > that shall be brought about by Grand Tricks. Fear me." > or some other suitable comment. :) No no, that's all wrong. You should say 'I'm not really sure, I don't think I play any.. Anyway it's no big deal, your turn.' :) -Bram Vink