Aching Beauty/ Mask of 1000 Faces questions

Vampire A has Aching Beauty. Vampire B has no Aching Beauty. A bleeds. 1/ Can B Mask the action (Mask of 1000 Faces) before the block, since AB isn't an "applied" effect like the effect of Backways would be ? 2/ Can B Mask the action after the block and the pool loss induced by the Aching Beauty? Is the pool loss considered an applied effect? thanks, Stone

Stone wrote: > Vampire A has Aching Beauty. Vampire B has no Aching Beauty. > > A bleeds. > > 1/ Can B Mask the action (Mask of 1000 Faces) before the block, since AB > isn't an "applied" effect like the effect of Backways would be ? Yes. > 2/ Can B Mask the action after the block and the pool loss induced by the > Aching Beauty? Is the pool loss considered an applied effect? B cannot mask once the pool loss effect is applied. Similarly, once a vampire attempts to block an Archon, the Archon's effect is activated (the vampire pays 1 blood to attempt to block), so the action cannot be masked away from that archon. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> escribió en el mensaje news:3ECA4342...@white-wolf.com... > Stone wrote: > > Vampire A has Aching Beauty. Vampire B has no Aching Beauty. > > > > A bleeds. > > > > 1/ Can B Mask the action (Mask of 1000 Faces) before the block, since AB > > isn't an "applied" effect like the effect of Backways would be ? > > Yes. > > > 2/ Can B Mask the action after the block and the pool loss induced by the > > Aching Beauty? Is the pool loss considered an applied effect? > > B cannot mask once the pool loss effect is applied. Ooops, that modifies slightly my Handsome Devil deck. If then B also got an Aching beauty, will blocking minion's controller pay an additional pool? [ quoted text not captured ]

Tom,Mad&Co wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> escribió en el mensaje > >B cannot mask once the pool loss effect is applied. > Ooops, that modifies slightly my Handsome Devil deck. If then B also got an > Aching beauty, will blocking minion's controller pay an additional pool? No. B still cannot Mask the action. B's Aching Beauty is not A's Aching Beauty. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> escribió en el mensaje news:3ECA4FDC...@white-wolf.com... > Tom,Mad&Co wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> escribió en el mensaje > > >B cannot mask once the pool loss effect is applied. > > > Ooops, that modifies slightly my Handsome Devil deck. If then B also got an > > Aching beauty, will blocking minion's controller pay an additional pool? > > No. B still cannot Mask the action. B's Aching Beauty is not A's Aching Beauty. > Ok, then, sniff. A cute deck to the bin. On the same topic, but slightly different Toreador A dancing with a toreador grand ball (unblockable non-bleeding actions) Toreador B with obf A takes an action. Asks prey and predator if they block, boviously, as they can't they decline blocking Can B now play MO1000F to carry on the action? (obviously, B fullfits all requirements of the Action) [ quoted text not captured ]

Tom,Mad&Co wrote: > Toreador A dancing with a toreador grand ball (unblockable non-bleeding > actions) > Toreador B with obf > > A takes an action. Asks prey and predator if they block, boviously, as they > can't they decline blocking > Can B now play MO1000F to carry on the action? (obviously, B fullfits all > requirements of the Action) Yes. Similarly, if Aisling bled a Methuselah whose only ready minion was Blythe, Nik could mask the action after Blythe's controller declines to block. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3ECA4342...@white-wolf.com>... > Stone wrote: > > Vampire A has Aching Beauty. Vampire B has no Aching Beauty. > > 2/ Can B Mask the action after the block and the pool loss induced by the > > Aching Beauty? Is the pool loss considered an applied effect? > > B cannot mask once the pool loss effect is applied. > > Similarly, once a vampire attempts to block an Archon, the Archon's effect > is activated (the vampire pays 1 blood to attempt to block), so the action > cannot be masked away from that archon. Why the new ruling from the rules team on Mask of 1000 Faces?

Emmit Svenson wrote: > Why the new ruling from the rules team on Mask of 1000 Faces? Uniformity, consistency, logic, intuitiveness, and agreement with the backstory. [ quoted text not captured ]

>Uniformity, consistency, logic, intuitiveness, and agreement with the >backstory. You know, this could make a good sig.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3ECA5E0D...@white-wolf.com... > Tom,Mad&Co wrote: > > Toreador A dancing with a toreador grand ball (unblockable non-bleeding > > actions) > > Toreador B with obf > > > > A takes an action. Asks prey and predator if they block, boviously, as they > > can't they decline blocking > > Can B now play MO1000F to carry on the action? (obviously, B fullfits all > > requirements of the Action) > > Yes. > > Similarly, if Aisling bled a Methuselah whose only ready minion was Blythe, > Nik could mask the action after Blythe's controller declines to block. > This may be stupid but... do methusaleahs get another chance to block?

Ahasuerus wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message >>Tom,Mad&Co wrote: >>>they decline blocking. >>>Can B now play MO1000F to carry on the action? >>Yes. > do methusaleahs get another chance to block? No. The decision not to block is final. [ quoted text not captured ]