[Q] Tel. Vote Counting & Scorn of Adonis

When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a younger vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, then plays sup. Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what happens? Mathieu

[ quoted text not captured ] The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied vote. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

In article <95von4$rn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Mathieu <no.spam...@webmails.com> wrote: > > When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a younger > > vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, then plays sup. > > Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what happens? > > The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied vote. Scorn of Adonis says "Any Methuselah casting or controlling a vampire casting at least 1 vote against the referendum burns 1 pool before the results are tallied." (according to the Library Monger.) How do you know when, before the results are tallied, the pool is to be burned? Why not when the vote against the referendum is cast, regardless of later modifications to that vote against? Josh (also, w/superior Telepathic Vote Counting, the referendum shouldn't be canceled, right? only the vote cast by the Vote Counted vampire.) [ quoted text not captured ]

Joshua Duffin <jt...@cornell.edu> wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Mathieu <no.spam...@webmails.com> wrote: > > > When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a > > > younger vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, > > > then plays sup. Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what > > > happens? > > > > The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied > > vote. > > Scorn of Adonis says "Any Methuselah casting or controlling a > vampire casting at least 1 vote against the referendum burns 1 > pool before the results are tallied." (according to the Library > Monger.) > > How do you know when, before the results are tallied, the > pool is to be burned? Why not when the vote against the > referendum is cast, regardless of later modifications to > that vote against? Why not "just before", regardless of when the votes were cast? The timing is there only to indicate that the pool loss occurs before any pool gain resulting from a successful referendum. > (also, w/superior Telepathic Vote Counting, the referendum > shouldn't be canceled, right? only the vote cast by the > Vote Counted vampire.) Right. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <95von4$rn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Mathieu <no.spam...@webmails.com> wrote: > > When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a younger > > vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, then plays sup. > > Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what happens? > > The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied vote. > how can the referendum be cancelled on sup telepathic vote couting? [ quoted text not captured ]

cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Mathieu <no.spam...@webmails.com> wrote: > > > When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a > > > younger vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, then > > > plays sup. Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what happens? > > > > The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied vote. > > > how can the referendum be cancelled on sup telepathic vote couting? The questioner obviously meant "inferior". -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <96635n$u3n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > Mathieu <no.spam...@webmails.com> wrote: > > > > When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a > > > > younger vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, then > > > > plays sup. Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what happens? > > > > > > The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied vote. > > > > > how can the referendum be cancelled on sup telepathic vote couting? > > The questioner obviously meant "inferior". really? he said used it to "cancel the vote". Sup version cancel a vampire's vote, inferior cancel the *referendrum* so I'd say he actually did mean superior. [ quoted text not captured ]

cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > > Mathieu <no.spam...@webmails.com> wrote: > > > > > When an acting Toreador w/ AUS play Scorn of Adonis after a > > > > > younger vampire casts a vote against the current referendum, > then > > > > > plays sup. Tel. Vote Counting to cancel the vote, what > > > > > happens? > > > > > > > > The referendum is canceled. No pool is lost for the untallied > vote. > > > > > > > how can the referendum be cancelled on sup telepathic vote > > > couting? > > > > The questioner obviously meant "inferior". > > really? he said used it to "cancel the vote". Sup version cancel a > vampire's vote, inferior cancel the *referendrum* so I'd say he > actually did mean superior. Hmm. Probably so. If a vampire tries to vote against a referendum and has his votes canceled (or changed to be in favor), he is not considered to be voting against the referendum when the results are tallied, by the explicit text of the effect, so Scorn won't care that he tried to vote against. Similarly, if he votes for, but has his vote changed to be against, Scorn will notice that when the results are tallied (unless some subsequent effect cancels or changes the vote(s) back)... -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]