When An Action Fizzles?

Just wanted to doublecheck on situations when an action "fizzles" since its conditions no longer are met. I'm pretty sure on most of these but just want to verify: #1. (Classic). Vampire A attempts to play Mind Numb on untapped Vampire B. If Vampire B becomes tapped sometime before the action resolves (Vampire B taps to use Starshell Grenade Launcher, or Vampire B blocks but Vampire A continues the action with Form of Mist), then the Mind Numb action will fizzle since Vampire B is no longer untapped, right (and thus not a legal target)? #2. A. (Cornercase). Methusaleh Z has finished with his minion phase actions. Methusaleh Y (cross-table from Z) uses the Madness Network to perform an action directed at Y's predator, Methualeh X, (i.e. Slaughtering the Herd at superior, Roxanne's rush, etc.). If Methusaleh Z uses Temptation to gain control of the targeted vamp, then the action fails, right? Since that vampire is no longer a valid target (controlled by predator/prey). #2. B. Like #2.A. except the action Methusaleh Y is taking is not limited to predator/prey (i.e. a Bum's Rush). All Methusalehs decline to block. If Methusaleh Z uses Temptation to gain control of the targeted vamp, then a new blocking opportunity is created since the target changed (just like with Deflection). Right? Thanks! Halcyan 2

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20020724225516...@mb-mw.aol.com... > Just wanted to doublecheck on situations when an action "fizzles" since its > conditions no longer are met. I'm pretty sure on most of these but just want to > verify: > > #1. (Classic). Vampire A attempts to play Mind Numb on untapped Vampire B. If > Vampire B becomes tapped sometime before the action resolves (Vampire B taps to > use Starshell Grenade Launcher, or Vampire B blocks but Vampire A continues the > action with Form of Mist), then the Mind Numb action will fizzle since Vampire > B is no longer untapped, right (and thus not a legal target)? There is a clarification which states: If a card targets (chooses, selects, is played on, etc.) another card, then the card can only be played if an appropriate target is available. Examples: Strike: Steal/Destroy Equipment/Weapon cannot be used if the opposing minion doesn't have a suitable Equipment/Weapon to be destroyed/stolen. [RTR 19980928] In the scenario you proposed, it *sounded* like the Mind Numb *did legally target* an untapped vampire, and then when the MN effect finally went through, it was just tapping an already tapped vampire. > Thanks! > > Halcyan 2 Kevin M., Prince of Madison, WI (USA) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

Halcyan 2 wrote: > > > #2. B. Like #2.A. except the action Methusaleh Y is taking is not limited to > predator/prey (i.e. a Bum's Rush). All Methusalehs decline to block. If > Methusaleh Z uses Temptation to gain control of the targeted vamp, then a new > blocking opportunity is created since the target changed (just like with > Deflection). Right? > If all Methusalehs have declined to block, then a new blocking opportunity would not be generated. Assuming that Methuselah Z hadn't chosen not to block (i.e. No opportunity, Didn't declare that he wouldn't block) then he would have that opportunity as the Direct Action would now be at him (his minion) and he would now have that opportunity. -- Andy "Slytherin" Brown VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge SET awakens, watch out all non-believers

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote: [snipped, because I don't want to think that hard this early in the morning] Don't forget the case where an action fizzles because (due to playing action modifiers) the vampire no longer has enough blood to pay for the action itself. Xian

Halcyan 2 wrote: > > Just wanted to doublecheck on situations when an action "fizzles" since its > conditions no longer are met. I'm pretty sure on most of these but just want to > verify: > > #1. (Classic). Vampire A attempts to play Mind Numb on untapped Vampire B. If > Vampire B becomes tapped sometime before the action resolves (Vampire B taps to > use Starshell Grenade Launcher, or Vampire B blocks but Vampire A continues the > action with Form of Mist), then the Mind Numb action will fizzle since Vampire > B is no longer untapped, right (and thus not a legal target)? Correct. You cannot "put this card on any untapped vampire" on a tapped vampire. > #2. A. (Cornercase). Methusaleh Z has finished with his minion phase actions. > Methusaleh Y (cross-table from Z) uses the Madness Network to perform an action > directed at Y's predator, Methualeh X, (i.e. Slaughtering the Herd at superior, > Roxanne's rush, etc.). If Methusaleh Z uses Temptation to gain control of the > targeted vamp, then the action fails, right? Since that vampire is no longer a > valid target (controlled by predator/prey). Correct. > #2. B. Like #2.A. except the action Methusaleh Y is taking is not limited to > predator/prey (i.e. a Bum's Rush). All Methusalehs decline to block. If > Methusaleh Z uses Temptation to gain control of the targeted vamp, then a new > blocking opportunity is created since the target changed (just like with > Deflection). Right? The target has not changed. The BR is still targeting Vamp V. No new blocking opportunity results. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/