I noticed something odd about four of the vampires in Dark Sovereigns.
They seem to be stepping away from their core skills in unison.
I understand that occasional random skills work their way into the
mix, but these seem a little oddly linked, especially for the superior
skills.
Perhaps the 'Dominate' and the "Presence" keys are too close together
on the Vampire keyboard? :-)
Brujah - celerity, potence, and presence
Constanza has superior celerity, potence, and dominate, but no presence
Donal is the same way.
Meanwhile...
Tremere - auspex, dominate, and thaumaturgy
Javier has superior auspex and thaumaturgy, normal presence and others, but
no dominate (the only 9-capacity lacking one of his clan's basic skills)
Rebekka has superior auspex, presence, and thaumaturgy, but no dominate.
I'm sure this does not cross the errata-threshhold, but could you check to
see if it was intentional?
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Also there are a couple of others.
Daliyah with superior protean (Nosferatue)
and I seem to remember a Toreador that was odd (besides the
one who had chimestry)
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>> They seem to be stepping away from their core skills in unison.
>> I understand that occasional random skills work their way into the
>> mix, but these seem a little oddly linked, especially for the superior
>> skills.>> Brujah - celerity, potence, and presence>>
>> Constanza has superior celerity, potence, and dominate, but no presence
>> Donal is the same way.
This follows the rule that Brujah 8 cost vampires must always suck. Either
they have stupid powers or miss an entire clan discipline.
>> Meanwhile...
>>
>> Tremere - auspex, dominate, and thaumaturgy>>Rebekka has superior auspex, presence, and thaumaturgy, but no dominate.
Anyone with dominate and innate +1 stealth would be too unbalancing. That
could lead to +2 stealth, +4 bleed or +3 stealth +2 bleed which is something
the Tremere, a combat clan, doesn't need to be competitive.
L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote:
>I noticed something odd about four of the vampires in Dark Sovereigns.>They seem to be stepping away from their core skills in unison.
>I understand that occasional random skills work their way into the
>mix, but these seem a little oddly linked, especially for the superior
>skills.>Perhaps the 'Dominate' and the "Presence" keys are too close together
>on the Vampire keyboard? :-)
Heh. No, the designers of DS simply decided to step away from the
these-three-skills paradigm a little, and threw in a few vampires that
specialized in non-clan skills.
>Brujah - celerity, potence, and presence
> Constanza has superior celerity, potence, and dominate, but no presence
> Donal is the same way.
Same sire, same age, same stats, same title.
>Tremere - auspex, dominate, and thaumaturgy> Javier has superior auspex and thaumaturgy, normal presence and others, but
> no dominate (the only 9-capacity lacking one of his clan's basic skills)> Rebekka has superior auspex, presence, and thaumaturgy, but no dominate.>I'm sure this does not cross the errata-threshhold, but could you check to
>see if it was intentional?
It's intentional, and would have crossed that threshhold if accidental.
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dhof...@cris.com (Daniel Hoffman) wrote:
>>> Brujah - celerity, potence, and presence
>>>
>>> Constanza has superior celerity, potence, and dominate, but no presence
>>> Donal is the same way.>>This follows the rule that Brujah 8 cost vampires must always suck. Either
>they have stupid powers or miss an entire clan discipline.
Peace Daniel,
Tura Vaughn does not suck (in the way you mean). Sup Cel, Pot, & Pre is quite
respectable. Miranda Sanova isn't quite as good, but she has that +1 intercept
vs. Brujah thing.
Nil carborundum illigitimi,
James R. McClure Jr.
The OS/2 Apostle
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"James R. McClure Jr." <jmcc...@e-mail.kdp-baptist.louisville.edu>
wrote:
>dhof...@cris.com (Daniel Hoffman) wrote:>>>> Brujah - celerity, potence, and presence
>>>>
>>>> Constanza has superior celerity, potence, and dominate, but no presence
>>>> Donal is the same way.>>
>>This follows the rule that Brujah 8 cost vampires must always suck. Either
>>they have stupid powers or miss an entire clan discipline.>
>Peace Daniel,
>
>Tura Vaughn does not suck (in the way you mean). Sup Cel, Pot, & Pre is quite
>respectable. Miranda Sanova isn't quite as good, but she has that +1 intercept
>vs. Brujah thing.
Miranda is a decent bleeder, especially with the amount of Cel/Obf
vampires out there now.
Donal is a *wonderful* vampire;
Constanza, Donal, Anvil, and Don Cruez all have Dominate, and are an
important part of a Brujah bleed and bash deck. They also give Brujah
an oppurtunity to bounce bleeds if blocking fails.
I find that some of my best deck ideas appear when I try and find
uses for "useless" vampires (I haven't found one yet...)
TJH
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You found a use for Uriah Winter???
> TJH
>
>
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curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote:
>"T.J. Hull" <t...@nwlink.com> writes:
>>> I find that some of my best deck ideas appear when I try and find
>>uses for "useless" vampires (I haven't found one yet...)>>Indeed yes. Same effect with "useless" cards. But -
>
>Have you actually found Uriah Winter useful? I have decks that can
>tolerate him, but none that find him useful.
Sure! Two decks:
1. Weenie Vote: due to the low pool expenditure required and Autarkis
Persecution, it's usually fairly easy to keep more pool than your prey.
Don't forget Political Flux! The advantage of an extra Caitiff offsets
the potential loss. I wouldn't advise bringing him out if your
predator has a bleed deck, though :-)
2. Weenie Damage Prevention (basically full of F, Pre, Prot, Cel, Dodge
S:CE, damage prevention):
Same thing with the low pool expenditure, and you bleed *fast* with
this kind of deck (unless your predator is playing bruise and bleed).
Mr. Ghazban has Fortitude.
The other main advantage Uriah gives is a larger number of
non-duplicate vampires under 4, essential for these kinds of decks.
Getting your whole crypt out is not uncommon. Plus, he won't be
contested :-)
TJH
In article <4cmqo0$8...@hermes.louisville.edu> "James R. McClure Jr." <jmcc...@e-mail.kdp-baptist.louisville.edu> writes:
>>dhof...@cris.com (Daniel Hoffman) wrote:>>This follows the rule that Brujah 8 cost vampires must always suck. Either
>>they have stupid powers or miss an entire clan discipline.>Peace Daniel,>Tura Vaughn does not suck (in the way you mean). Sup Cel, Pot, & Pre is quite
>respectable. Miranda Sanova isn't quite as good, but she has that +1 intercept
>vs. Brujah thing.
I was just making a joke about brujah 8 cost vampires. Donal has a built in
camarilla examplary and is a definate Giovanni/Brujah crossover vampire.
+1 intercept vs. your own clan isn't worth anything. Around here no one plays
the same clan to avoid contesting and the ally deck only has token brujah.
As for Tura Vaughn, I'd rather pay one more and get +1 hand damage and an
optional dodge or pay 3 more and get +3 votes and +2 bleed. Bianca costs 2
less and has +1 hand damage, Rake and Volker are princes, Anvil has sup pot
and cel for 2 less. Black Cat costs 3 less and has a useful power. Ideally
you could get a vampire with all 3 clan at superior for cost 6 like Ravnos,
unforunately only one other Ravnos has all 3 clan at superior.
Is there some role-playing game reason there are no 7 cost brujah? Did they
all die or something?
L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote:
: I noticed something odd about four of the vampires in Dark Sovereigns.: They seem to be stepping away from their core skills in unison.: Brujah - celerity, potence, and presence: Constanza has superior celerity, potence, and dominate, but no presence
: Donal is the same way.
Ya just gotta love this in a potence celerity deck with Thoughts Betrayed
thown in. The other vampire just sits there while you beat the
crap out of em!
Brian.