To Whom It May Concern,
For the last two years, I've been running a Sabbat War draft event at the
same time as the Origins Qualifier event, for those players who have already
qualified and want a "different" event to play in while the qualifier is
going. (Keep in mind that there will be a sanctioned constructed tournament
EVERY DAY at Origins this year.)
Last year, as well as the year before, we had 10 of 13 already-qualified
individuals choose to play in the draft event.
Q1: If you are already qualified, would you prefer SOME kind of draft event,
so that you could play in the draft event instead of the qualifier? [Yes/No]
Q2: Assuming it was the same price as the last 2 years -- $25 for 10
packs -- which set would you prefer to draft? [Set Name here] Sabbat War
*still* seems the most reasonable to me; it worked quite well the last 2
years and there are cards that people actually *want* to draft.
Note also that this event would be RATED this year, if that makes any
difference to you.
Thank you for your input. If you have any questions, please ask.
Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA)
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Kevin M. wrote:
> Q1: If you are already qualified, would you prefer SOME kind of draft event,
> so that you could play in the draft event instead of the qualifier? [Yes/No]
If I'm blasted out of the SFB finals, I'd probably play in a draft rather
than the qualifier, even though I am not qualified.
>
> Q2: Assuming it was the same price as the last 2 years -- $25 for 10
> packs -- which set would you prefer to draft? [Set Name here] Sabbat War
> *still* seems the most reasonable to me; it worked quite well the last 2
> years and there are cards that people actually *want* to draft.
I'd probably prefer less money and less packs--8 for $20.00 seems more
reasonable to me, and any set seems good. Sabbat War is probably the most
cohesive (and has more good stuff to get, as opposed to Camarilla), but a
50/50 Bloodlines/CE draft seems like it would be much funnier.
Peter D Bakija
PD...@bigplanet.com
http://www.myplanet.net/pdb6
"My health is failing me, so I flip on the television,
and watch sad movies and look for sad, sick people like me."
-Tegan and Sara
Kevin Mergen wrote:
> Q1: If you are already qualified, would you prefer SOME kind of draft event,
> so that you could play in the draft event instead of the qualifier? [Yes/No]
I'm already qualified, and YES, I want to play in a draft even
instead of the
qualifier.
> Q2: Assuming it was the same price as the last 2 years -- $25 for 10
> packs -- which set would you prefer to draft? [Set Name here] Sabbat War
> *still* seems the most reasonable to me; it worked quite well the last 2
> years and there are cards that people actually *want* to draft.
Sabbat War is the last set I'd want to draft. I've drafted it too
much, and I'm sick
of all the crappy cards.
Instead, I'd like to do CE draft, or CE + Bloodlines (high comedy),
or CE +
Anarchs. Especially CE + Anarchs, 'cause it's new.
Also, why would it be $25 for 10 packs? That's like $90 per box.
Couldn't the
cost be cut down by ordering through Potomac or something?
Also also, I'm totally up for MORE drafting, in addition to the
draft tournament.
It doesn't even have to be a draft tournament. I just wanna draft
for the sake of
draft. To that end, I'll be bringing a box of Anarchs with me. If
I should bring
more, let me know. :)
- Ben Peal, Prince of Boston
fu...@mindstorm.com
Peter D Bakija wrote:
> ...Sabbat War is probably the most cohesive (and has more good stuff to get,
> as opposed to Camarilla)...
I've been very impressed with the quality of CE for drafting. In addition,
Sabbat War has far more BAD stuff to get.
> ... but a 50/50 Bloodlines/CE draft seems like it would be much funnier.
Oh yeah...Josh and Trey and I did that at least twice at TotalCon this year.
It's a riot. :) I'd prefer to do CE+Anarchs, but CE+Bloodlines is also
good fun.
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> Also also, I'm totally up for MORE drafting, in addition to the
> draft tournament.
> It doesn't even have to be a draft tournament. I just wanna draft
> for the sake of
> draft.
How do you draft Vampire?
I read the Tournament website rules on it and just found that confusing and
would still like to know. (I thought I understood what was going on until
it got to talking about oldest cards)
(I'm a Brit so obviously I won't be there)
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Table Draft:
A player is chosen to be the alpha player.
Every player flips the top two cards of his or her draft stock face up to
the middle of the table. All players are afforded an opportunity to
read the cards.
The Alpha player chooses (takes) one of the face up cards. Then the player
to his or her left. And so on clockwise around the table until the player
to the alpha player's right takes a card. Then the player to the alpha
players right take a second card. Then the player to that player's right
takes a second card. And so on counterclockwise around the table until
the alpha player takes the last remaining card as his or her second
card. Then the player to the left of the alpha player becomes the new
alpha player and repeat the process with the next to cards.
The "Oldest" card concept is only used when someone exceeds the time
limit on choosing a card. In that case, the default choice is made
automatically for that player and the draft continues. The default
choice is defined to be: "choose the eldest card". The cards are
ranked eldest to youngest clockwise from the two cards that the
alpha player turned up.
--
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> The "Oldest" card concept is only used when someone exceeds the time
> limit on choosing a card. In that case, the default choice is made
> automatically for that player and the draft continues. The default
> choice is defined to be: "choose the eldest card". The cards are
> ranked eldest to youngest clockwise from the two cards that the
> alpha player turned up.
Thanks -think I've got it now.
The "oldest" is just the last card to have been turned up (still on the
table)?
Do you get to look at your whole booster first? I presume that you can't
change the order (would want the rares to come up all at once -first?)
Timlagor wrote:
>>The "Oldest" card concept is only used when someone exceeds the time
>>limit on choosing a card. In that case, the default choice is made
>>automatically for that player and the draft continues. The default
>>choice is defined to be: "choose the eldest card". The cards are
>>ranked eldest to youngest clockwise from the two cards that the
>>alpha player turned up.>
> Thanks -think I've got it now.
> The "oldest" is just the last card to have been turned up (still on the
> table)?
The oldest is the first card, if the alpha turns his cards up first.
> Do you get to look at your whole booster first? I presume that you can't
> change the order (would want the rares to come up all at once -first?)
No looking, no changing the order.
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:28:35 +0100, Timlagor
<Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> The "Oldest" card concept is only used when someone exceeds the time
>> limit on choosing a card. In that case, the default choice is made
>> automatically for that player and the draft continues. The default
>> choice is defined to be: "choose the eldest card". The cards are
>> ranked eldest to youngest clockwise from the two cards that the
>> alpha player turned up.>Thanks -think I've got it now.
>The "oldest" is just the last card to have been turned up (still on the
>table)?
No, it is the first card to have been turned up.
Same as people, the oldest have been around (turned up) the longest.
>Do you get to look at your whole booster first?
No.
You do not get to look at the booster at all in Elder Draft.
You get to look at the top two cards as you turn them over.
>I presume that you can't change the order
>(would want the rares to come up all at once -first?)
You cannot change the order of the cards.
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
http://www.TheLasombra.com
> Sabbat War is the last set I'd want to draft. I've drafted it too
>much, and I'm sick
> of all the crappy cards.
I haven't drafted all that much, and I wouldn't look forward to drafting just
SW again. Feels monotonous.
> Instead, I'd like to do CE draft, or CE + Bloodlines (high comedy),
>or CE +
> Anarchs. Especially CE + Anarchs, 'cause it's new.
I won't be there, but it seems to me that incorporating Anarchs makes sense.
We just had a draft where half the people drafted CE+A and the other half SW+A.
I think it worked, far better than drafts with Bloodlines.
Ben Peal wrote:
> I've been very impressed with the quality of CE for drafting. In addition,
> Sabbat War has far more BAD stuff to get.
True, true. I figure that CE, however, has a lot more cards that folks have
*way* too many of already ("Yaa. I draft another J.S. Simmons to go with my
previously drafted Rumors of Gehenna...") and SW has more stuff like, say,
Disarm and War Ghoul. But I'd be happy either way. And I might not even be
playing (if, say, I'm in the SFB finals).
> Oh yeah...Josh and Trey and I did that at least twice at TotalCon this year.
> It's a riot. :) I'd prefer to do CE+Anarchs, but CE+Bloodlines is also
> good fun.
Yeah--that looked totally hysterical. Which is why I suggested it :-)
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Ben Peal wrote:
> Also also, I'm totally up for MORE drafting, in addition to the
> draft tournament.
> It doesn't even have to be a draft tournament. I just wanna draft
> for the sake of
> draft. To that end, I'll be bringing a box of Anarchs with me. If
> I should bring
> more, let me know. :)
I'd totally be in for some random draft tournamentism--maybe at the
Newsgroup Invitational if you feellike bringing some cut rate boxes of
stuff?
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Timlagor wrote:
> How do you draft Vampire?
There are lots of different ways. Most of them involve drafting vampires
seperately from the regular card, although there are various schools of
thought on that.
Around here, we used to (back in the days of $13.00 Jyhad boxes) play Jyhad
booster draft. We'd each get, like, 6 packs and sit in groups of, like, 4.
We'd open a pack, take out the 3 or 4 vampires, draft them, and then
continue till we all had all the vampires. Then we'd draft the rest of the
boosters, after knowing what vamps we had.
Other folks seem to like drafting where you draft library cards, and then
draft for vampires, but that always struck me as being more likely to result
in you getting screwed.
Some folks like drafting where vampires are just regualr cards, so you can
draft, like, a cool rare, or a good vampire, and assume that everyone is
gonna take enough vampires to make a crypt, but this strikes me as an
accident waiting to happen ("Uhh, my crypt consists of Chester DuBois, and,
um, that's pretty much it. Is that legal?").
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"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message news:<CGPEa.149489$eJ2.127922@fed1read07>...
> To Whom It May Concern,
>> Q1: If you are already qualified, would you prefer SOME kind of draft event,
> so that you could play in the draft event instead of the qualifier? [Yes/No]
I'm not yet qualified, but I'm currently seriously considering to go
for a draft tournament rather than trying to qualify. I like the very
competitive level of play at Origins, but I can have that any day, and
I've come to love draft :).
> Q2: Assuming it was the same price as the last 2 years -- $25 for 10
> packs -- which set would you prefer to draft? [Set Name here] Sabbat War
> *still* seems the most reasonable to me; it worked quite well the last 2
> years and there are cards that people actually *want* to draft.
I would like one of the following: SW, SW versus CE (half of the
methuselahs chooses the one and the other half the other), CE+BL
(since it's greta fun and even more based on improvisation - and you
see weird stuff done with ourferiors :) ).
Anarchs is new, but there's such a limited amount of variety in the
set that I don't need more of it, really.
> Note also that this event would be RATED this year, if that makes any
> difference to you.
Noted, and doesn't matter to me. Ranking is done by my peers, based on
how well they like playing with me, and that's all that counts.
> Thank you for your input. If you have any questions, please ask.
You're very welcome! I enjoyed playing in your tournaments last year,
and look forward to it again.
Regards,
Patrick
Columbus, OH
In message <92081c66.03060...@posting.google.com>, Patrick
van der Reest <sam...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Anarchs is new, but there's such a limited amount of variety in the
>set that I don't need more of it, really.
How come no-one has mentioned the obvious BL+Anarchs? :)
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cur...@aol.commetal (Curevei) wrote in message news:<20030609134032...@mb-m12.aol.com>...
> I won't be there, but it seems to me that incorporating Anarchs makes sense.
> We just had a draft where half the people drafted CE+A and the other half SW+A.
> I think it worked, far better than drafts with Bloodlines.
I'll readily admit I'm pretty fond of the Bloodlines expansion, and I
look forward to using the BL cards combined with a 'normal' set such
as SW or CE.
I really don't want any more too-common Anarch cards, and might step
down if Anarch draft is the best offer in town.
As I mentioned, I think that Camarilla vs. Sabbat (CE/SW) is a neat
option, and I would like to hear the opinion of other
draft-enthousiasts on this.
Regards,
Patrick
Columbus, OH
James Coupe wrote:
> In message <92081c66.03060...@posting.google.com>, Patrick
> van der Reest <sam...@hotmail.com> writes:>>Anarchs is new, but there's such a limited amount of variety in the
>>set that I don't need more of it, really.>
> How come no-one has mentioned the obvious BL+Anarchs? :)
That would classify as a concept known as BadVTES, of which the Columbus
crew is very fond, but overly familiar.
It would be great fun, but so terrible bad, and a waste of bucks...
~SV
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"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote in message
news:CGPEa.149489$eJ2.127922@fed1read07...
> To Whom It May Concern,
Hi Kevin!
> Last year, as well as the year before, we had 10 of 13 already-qualified
> individuals choose to play in the draft event.
>
> Q1: If you are already qualified, would you prefer SOME kind of draft event,
> so that you could play in the draft event instead of the qualifier? [Yes/No]
Hells yeah.
I'll speak for Trey Morita as well and say that he too wants
to play in a draft instead of the qualifier at Origins, since
he rarely posts to the newsgroup.
> Q2: Assuming it was the same price as the last 2 years -- $25 for 10
> packs -- which set would you prefer to draft? [Set Name here] Sabbat War
> *still* seems the most reasonable to me; it worked quite well the last 2
> years and there are cards that people actually *want* to draft.
I guess I'm with Ben and Peter in thinking it should be possible
for the packs to be a little cheaper, although that's not really
any kind of sticking point for me (I don't mind paying $25 for
10 packs, although I do think 9 packs is generally sufficient
for draft).
All Sabbat War, although I am certainly familiar with it, would
not be my favorite thing to draft. For most fun value, I'd
totally dig either CE/Bloodlines or SW/Bloodlines (or both +
Bloodlines). We did do some of this at TotalCon this February
and it was hilarious.
As Ben said, Sabbat War - while I admit it may have more "still
highly desirable" rares than Camarilla (Disarm, War Ghoul,
Powerbase Montreal, Black Metamorphosis, vs Derange, maybe
Protected Resources, maybe Gregory Winter, Tension in the
Ranks) - also has a ton of chaff in the rare slot (Ablative
Skin, Aggressive Tactics, Bauble, Bestial Visage, Blood Brother
Ambush, Cardinal Sin: Failure of Mission, Code of Milan
Suspended, Cull the Herd, just to go through the Cs). :-)
Anarchs will also still be pretty new, and may be more
"practical" than Bloodlines for drafting with CE or SW or both.
But the fun-factor of Bloodlines appeals more to me.
Re Patrick's question about SW vs CE drafting: We did that for
one tournament in Maryland a few months ago and it was indeed
fun - the Sabbat really did feel a lot more combat-y than the
Cam decks. But to me, it's not as interesting/fresh/weird
as incorporating either Bloodlines or Anarchs.
> Note also that this event would be RATED this year, if that makes any
> difference to you.
I totally dig it being rated. I would have played even if it
wasn't, but being a sanctioned event is tres cool. I'm
hoping to finally get enough sanctioned limited games to be
listed in the rankings soon. :-)
Oh yeah, and I (and probably Trey) am also up for random
impromptu drafting with Ben and Peter and anyone else who's
into that kind of thing. One Anarchs box might be enough,
though, Ben, unless we're going to want to do multiple drafts
using Anarchs, or expecting a lot of people to want to do it?
Josh
origins, origins, everyone loves origins
>> I won't be there, but it seems to me that incorporating Anarchs makes>sense.>> We just had a draft where half the people drafted CE+A and the other half>SW+A.>> I think it worked, far better than drafts with Bloodlines.>
>I'll readily admit I'm pretty fond of the Bloodlines expansion, and I
>look forward to using the BL cards combined with a 'normal' set such
>as SW or CE.
>I really don't want any more too-common Anarch cards, and might step
>down if Anarch draft is the best offer in town.
>As I mentioned, I think that Camarilla vs. Sabbat (CE/SW) is a neat
>option, and I would like to hear the opinion of other
>draft-enthousiasts on this.
I completely understand: wanting to draft sets that have desirable cards for
collection purposes, how doing this rules out Anarchs.
But. In terms of play, while Anarchs seems to have some deficiencies, it also
has good generic cards, especially masters, that make decks more playable. So,
I'm just saying if the emphasis is on a playable environment and doing
something fresh, Anarchs makes sense.
Course, maybe SW v. CE makes as much sense. Though, CE, for me, would fail the
standard of wanting collectible cards as much as Anarchs does.
And, it seems like people don't mind doing something wacky, which means
Bloodlines. (Agaitas is broken.)
Again, I've got no horse in this race, just trying to provide information on
what we've run into with different things.
"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> writes:
> As Ben said, Sabbat War - while I admit it may have more "still
> highly desirable" rares than Camarilla (Disarm, War Ghoul,
> Powerbase Montreal, Black Metamorphosis, vs Derange, maybe
> Protected Resources, maybe Gregory Winter, Tension in the
> Ranks) - also has a ton of chaff in the rare slot (Ablative
> Skin, Aggressive Tactics, Bauble, Bestial Visage, Blood Brother
> Ambush, Cardinal Sin: Failure of Mission, Code of Milan
> Suspended, Cull the Herd, just to go through the Cs). :-)
Cull the Herd chaff?
Costs a blood and an action, lets you peek at another player's hand,
does not require aus or ser.
It works magnificently. "No deflections or archon investigations?
Exellent..." "Oh, you're out of fortitude? Guess it's time to rush you."
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"Janne Hägglund" <jhag...@amadeus.siba.fi> wrote in message
news:ywiadcp...@amadeus.siba.fi...
> "Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > As Ben said, Sabbat War - while I admit it may have more "still
> > highly desirable" rares than Camarilla (Disarm, War Ghoul,
> > Powerbase Montreal, Black Metamorphosis, vs Derange, maybe
> > Protected Resources, maybe Gregory Winter, Tension in the
> > Ranks) - also has a ton of chaff in the rare slot (Ablative
> > Skin, Aggressive Tactics, Bauble, Bestial Visage, Blood Brother
> > Ambush, Cardinal Sin: Failure of Mission, Code of Milan
> > Suspended, Cull the Herd, just to go through the Cs). :-)
>
> Cull the Herd chaff?
>
> Costs a blood and an action, lets you peek at another player's hand,
> does not require aus or ser.
>
> It works magnificently. "No deflections or archon investigations?
> Exellent..." "Oh, you're out of fortitude? Guess it's time to rush you."
Let's just say it ain't no Le Dinh Tho. :-)
And it does require an action, which Tortured Confessions
doesn't. Owl Companion is permanent. Etc etc.
Josh
ok, it's not as bad as the others. but it's nothing
i'd be excited about getting as a rare, either...
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:39:19 -0400, "Joshua Duffin" wrote:
>Oh yeah, and I (and probably Trey) am also up for random
>impromptu drafting with Ben and Peter and anyone else who's
>into that kind of thing. One Anarchs box might be enough,
>though, Ben, unless we're going to want to do multiple drafts
>using Anarchs, or expecting a lot of people to want to do it?
Ditto. I mean, I'm in. Since I can't make the qualifier (unless
things go really really well), I probably can't make the sideline
event either, but I'm up for random drafting. I believe I've already
notified Ben.
:)
Xian
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> Oh yeah, and I (and probably Trey) am also up for random
> impromptu drafting with Ben and Peter and anyone else who's
> into that kind of thing. One Anarchs box might be enough,
> though, Ben, unless we're going to want to do multiple drafts
> using Anarchs, or expecting a lot of people to want to do it?
I have an unopened box of Anarchs. I don't know how many
people are going to want to draft, but I'm bringing a box
of Anarchs. :)
We'll probably want a box of something else to go with it
for impromptu drafting...any requests?
We could get a box of Bloodlines for a BL + Anarchs Dorko
Draft Extraordinaire. :)
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Xian wrote:
> Ditto. I mean, I'm in. Since I can't make the qualifier (unless
> things go really really well), I probably can't make the sideline
> event either, but I'm up for random drafting. I believe I've already
> notified Ben.
Yup yup. I've been duly notified. :)
- Ben Peal, Princeblahblahblah
fu...@mindstorm.com
fu...@optical.mindstorm.com (Ben Peal) wrote in message news:<bf72a12e.03061...@posting.google.com>...
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Anything with a box of Bloodlines gets my vote :) (although I'd prefer
SW+BL or CE+BL).
Is there any chance at all of getting a box of Final Nights (or
Ancient Hearts), to play with Bloodlines? Would be somewhat
Independant-heavy, of course. Which reminds me... How about FN+AN?
Finally, a chance for that Giovanni presence-vote deck you've all been
dreaming about. ;)
Regards,
Patrick
Columbus, OH
PS. I blame the meatloaf
On 13 Jun 2003 16:21:32 -0700, sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der
Reest) wrote:
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I can bring a Box of AH. But I'd need 90 to cover the original cost
of buying the Box.
Raille
rai...@mich.com wrote in message news:<cad6d9957225ca4b...@free.teranews.com>...
> On 13 Jun 2003 16:21:32 -0700, sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der
> Reest) wrote:
>
> >fu...@optical.mindstorm.com (Ben Peal) wrote in message news:<bf72a12e.03061...@posting.google.com>...
> >> Joshua Duffin wrote:
> >> I have an unopened box of Anarchs. I don't know how many
> >> people are going to want to draft, but I'm bringing a box
> >> of Anarchs. :)
> >>> >> We could get a box of Bloodlines for a BL + Anarchs Dorko
> >> Draft Extraordinaire. :)
> >> I can bring a Box of AH. But I'd need 90 to cover the original cost
> of buying the Box.
So, anyone up for Ancient Hearts + Anarchs, which is the current
offer? It sounds rather wacky to me, but that has yet to stop me of
course.
Patrick
Columbus, OH
<rai...@mich.com> wrote in message
news:cad6d9957225ca4b...@free.teranews.com...
> On 13 Jun 2003 16:21:32 -0700, sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der
> Reest) wrote:> >Is there any chance at all of getting a box of Final Nights (or
> >Ancient Hearts), to play with Bloodlines? Would be somewhat
> >Independant-heavy, of course. Which reminds me... How about FN+AN?
> >Finally, a chance for that Giovanni presence-vote deck you've all been
> >dreaming about. ;)> I can bring a Box of AH. But I'd need 90 to cover the original cost
> of buying the Box.
$90 for a box of Ancient Hearts is doable. There are 45 packs
per AH box, right? $2/pack, sure.
I would probably be up for trying some "Foolish Draft" (tm) of
Ancient Hearts plus Final Nights boosters. We could order some
FN from Potomac, or maybe Ben could bring it (I hear he has
connections)? Would people want to actually do this, or would
we be better off doing AH + something else? (Note that AH +
FN packs would be very low on certain staples like "cards that
require disciplines other than Quietus and Serpentis", and
"cards that are good" (like Blood Dolls and Wakes).)
Or we could try AH + DS + FN - that way at least there would
be four bad disciplines to try to use. And the DS packs would
be uber cheap. :-)
Josh
if it ain't dorko, it ain't draft
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Well just in case I'll bring along my AH boxes. And I do have a DS
box also, so into the car they go.
See you all very very soon
Raille