Preview #11: Thucimia

Assamite Group 4 10 capacity QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she bleeds, she maty reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed.

[ quoted text not captured ] nice - can steal allies and can play blessing of chaos(and actually oust somebody) another Assamite with protean and another with fortitude it is 3 star vampire out of 5 spoiled ...

shawn stanley skrev: [ quoted text not captured ] It's finally happend! A vampire that is worse than Appolonius has been printed ;) Best day ever

[ quoted text not captured ] what? - she is better than Appolonius for sure - she is Assamite after all and have +1 hand size special, bleed special, 1 vote and good disciplines ... LOL

[ quoted text not captured ] wha? This a fabulous star vamp. Bleed special + dem, fortitude for multiaction, obf to make actions succeed. Cel Qui and pro for combat or combat avoidance. Quite nice actually, but sadly, again a star vamp as mentioned.

Jeroen skrev: [ quoted text not captured ] No :) Pay 1 more and get Elimelech, that is a star vamp. This is another Assamite... Which after 3h of sleep makes me annoyed

[ quoted text not captured ] 3 reasons alamut kine for 6 +1hand size enought?

she has potential to make some GW's... ^^ and at least she has some powers no other vampires have.

[ quoted text not captured ] > Which after 3h of sleep makes me annoyed- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I think her special is pretty good - being able to burn cards fom your hand will come in very usefull in a bleed deck... However, a bleed deck with a 10 cap vampire does not get me very exited..

shawn stanley <sta...@pandius.com> wrote: > Assamite > Group 4 > 10 capacity > QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for > Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she > bleeds, she may reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap > phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed. Can you reduce your hand size below zero with this ability? Say, for example, your predator has put 8 Aggressive Tactics into play. Can Thucimia use her special ability, and temporarily have a hand size of -2?

[ quoted text not captured ] she is easyly able to inflict 10 pool damage using 3 cards (eyes of chaos + forced march + Reckless Agitation) it is STRONG

[ quoted text not captured ] or khabar glory for non AI action - dont forget to give her +1 permastealt

[ quoted text not captured ] > chaos + forced march + Reckless Agitation) it is STRONG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - She is is she? Hey - you dont happen to play cards for money by any chance do you? :O) Anthony

On 17 Sep, 13:56, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] ?? Hand size cannot be a negative value. Like, really reall clearly :O) Ant

[ quoted text not captured ] too cornercase to ever think about it :P

[ quoted text not captured ] > ?? [ quoted text not captured ] Actually I'm under the opposite assumption, my fine feathered friend. A Hand Size of -2, I would think, would translate to: "You have zero cards in your hand. Even if you tap Dreams of the Sphinx, your hand size will be 0 and you will have 0 cards in your hand". Much like how a vampire can have -1 strength from a Disarm. I just want to make sure that this unlikeliest-of-corner-cases is covered properly by the rules :P Happy New Year!

Jozxyqk wrote: > A Hand Size of -2, I would think, would translate to: > "You have zero cards in your hand. > Even if you tap Dreams of the Sphinx, your hand size will be 0 and you will > have 0 cards in your hand". Correct. > Much like how a vampire can have -1 strength from a Disarm. > > I just want to make sure that this unlikeliest-of-corner-cases is covered > properly by the rules :P > > Happy New Year! Happy New Year!

[ quoted text not captured ] But seriously... A 10-cap Titled Assamite.. Norm, have you built a Thucimia Trophy deck yet?

On 17 Wrz, 15:37, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] i want to build one - just after bleed/politics :P

On Sep 17, 11:37 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Hmm... Norm are you all over this? I was thinking Thucimia plays Red List on some chump who doesn't have presence or protean (i.e. no SCE). Next turn she rushes, Selective Silence, Shadow Feint, un-dodgeable Coma with first strike. Forced March. Then she plays Sacrificial Lamb to burn a vampire in torpor as a D action. Gains a bunch of blood. Trophies triggered. With Dreams of the Sphinx and a resulting hand size of 10 for a turn, this could possibly even work. I suppose you could team her up with Lubomira and get her to Lamb, but then the trophies would go on her which wouldn't be as useful.

[ quoted text not captured ] well she can play blessing of chaos to counter presence S:CE and can burn vampire with SwTF garotta or WWS/BBT combo or aggro hands for one Lamb. let consider this opposing vampire 5 or less blood - no prevent discipline - BoC where she need it SS + WWS +Blur + BBT = 3 blood less and burned vampire (blood is not an issue with Throphy: Hunting Ground)

[ quoted text not captured ] btw Big Game is very solid with her - perfect rush and you need less cards (ie. No need for SS)

shawn stanley schrieb: [ quoted text not captured ] I wait for Tucimia (Advanced) - QUI - 1 vote => 8 cap then we have a playable Tucimia. Really, who needs more 10caps? -- Johannes Walch

[ quoted text not captured ] 1 vote is crucial :P Quietus have Good Bleed Action and anti-bounce tech :P

[ quoted text not captured ] > Quietus have Good Bleed Action and anti-bounce tech :P- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Her DEM and card cycling special lend herslef to a bleed deck IMO (not a silly trophy deck ;) Her ten capacity nearly rules that out as a viable option. :-/

[ quoted text not captured ] so you cant have bleed/trophy deck ? how do you want oust anybody ? YES she is perfect bleeder/voter. Yes she have good potential in Trophy deck. YES you can combine the two aspects. without blockers she is less likely to be blocked/deflected. it is simple.very simple. first rush then bleed. common bruise and bleed strategy :D

[ quoted text not captured ] Not a good one, no. > how do you want oust anybody ? Urm, I dunno, I'll play bleed, vote, or combat - whatever. I wont paly 10 cap trophy/bleed decks though - not if I want to win anytime soont hat is :o) > YES she is perfect bleeder/voter. NO she isn't > Yes she have good potential in Trophy deck. Isn't that a contradiction in terms :O) >YES you can combine the two aspects. without blockers she > is less likely to be blocked/deflected. it is simple.very simple. > first rush then bleed. common bruise and bleed strategy :D- Hide quoted text - It most certainly is NOT simple. THe deck you describe would not work very often at all - unless you found some amazingly elegant multi aspect synergies. Which you dont have. You need to get so much from a ten cap to make it worth it - This Laydeee is close, I can certainly see some uses that might make the cost worth it. But certainly not Trophies... Ant

On Sep 17, 11:46 am, shawn stanley <stan...@pandius.com> wrote: > Assamite > Group 4 > 10 capacity > QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for > Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she > bleeds, she maty reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap > phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed. Really good vampire here, a new god of war! Now with the bleed protection of Lost in Translation she's really good.

[ quoted text not captured ] She is OK! But much like the [arents of people here http://marryourdaughter.org/ she is slightly overcosted IMO :O) I dont see how she is as good as say, Rachel Bandywine. She is much more what I'm looking for from a ten cap vampire. I really really need to get soemthingh extra special from a 3 turn to transfer vampire..

> YES she is perfect bleeder/voter. she rocks as a bleeder, but sucks as a voter. you need PRE to be a "perfect" voter.

[ quoted text not captured ] with 10 card hand size it is easy to create hybrid deck. maybe it is not AS simple. she can be either Bleed/vote monster (responsible bleed for 7(+7 votes-4/5 alamut/black throne/rise of N. in deck) and vote for 5 is strong option) some vampires can bleed for more, but not much vampires can bleed responsible for such amounts. fote push is not problem with such huge bleeds - look at TWDA Alamut decks. you will see :P blessing of chaos and protean is easiest way to send someone into torpor and with such great hand size you are easly capable burn opposing vampire :P (and gets trophy)

[ quoted text not captured ] it is joke? it looks like joke re-read this card Unique location. If an Assamite you control successfully bleeds another Methuselah, put the pool lost by that Methuselah on this card. During a political action, you may burn X blood from this card to give a vampire you control X votes for that referendum. now add a fact that she easly bleed for 4-7. guess what ? perfect voter :P Blessing of Chaos +1 stealth action. 1 blood dem:Put this card on the acting vampire. If this vampire attempts to block, the acting vampire cannot play action modifiers requiring Dementation, Dominate, Presence, or Chimerstry. Vampires opposing this vampire in combat cannot play cards that require those Disciplines. DEM:As above, and actions requiring those Disciplines cannot be directed at this vampire. it means: -no pre combat ends -no obedience -no bleed boost when she block a bleed -no scalpel tongue when she plays political action -no deflection when she bleed -no mind rape and mind numb and sensory deprivation it is SOLID reason to consider. it is clear?

On 17 Sep, 16:03, AcheronNightStal...@gmail.com wrote: > On 17 Wrz, 16:53, dome <l...@email.htnet.hr> wrote: > > > > YES she is perfect bleeder/voter. > > > she rocks as a bleeder, but sucks as a voter. you need PRE to be a > > "perfect" voter. > > it is joke? it looks like joke > > re-read this card > Unique location. > > If an Assamite you control successfully bleeds another Methuselah, put > the pool lost by that Methuselah on this card. During a political > action, you may burn X blood from this card to give a vampire you > control X votes for that referendum. > > now add a fact that she easly bleed for 4-7. guess what ? perfect > voter :P You cant add other cards to the equation - thats cheating! She is a good bleeder yes, but you cannot assume she is a good voter. Also, is she a better bleeder than 3, 3.3cap vampires? thats the question you need to ask. > Blessing of Chaos > +1 stealth action. > 1 blood > dem:Put this card on the acting vampire. If this vampire attempts to > block, the acting vampire cannot play action modifiers requiring > Dementation, Dominate, Presence, or Chimerstry. Vampires opposing this > vampire in combat cannot play cards that require those Disciplines. > DEM:As above, and actions requiring those Disciplines cannot be > directed at this vampire. > it means: > -no pre combat ends Yup - pretty nice. Not everyone uses PRE though of course... > -no obedience Urm, you can play obedience - at least - I cant see why not looknig at the cardtext for BoC > -no bleed boost when she block a bleed Pretty much, yeah > -no scalpel tongue when she plays political action Wow! > -no deflection when she bleed Urm, wrong, as I read the cards anyway. > -no mind rape and mind numb and sensory deprivation True > it is SOLID reason to consider. it is clear? Not really! you have talked a lot about a card that is pretty good, but it doesnt make a bleed/vote/fight deck much more viable tbh, I mean, how many copuies are you going to include! by the way your talking about thjem its like 10 alamut and 10 blessing of chaos Ant

[ quoted text not captured ] ups ... it means she is pretty irresponsible bleeder :/ (deed's helps a bit, but it is not enough) i thought that while she's acting you no vamp can play modifiers requiring the disciplines ... my bad 4-5 Alamut it looks like BoC amount need to be less than i thought.(2-3) 3-4 permastealth with 8(10) hand size she needs less cards to have it in hand ... and of course you need Dreams of the Sphinx anyway t means 10(12) hand size - increase hand size effects are strong - cycle effects are also strong(heart of the cheater)

On 17 sep, 17:03, AcheronNightStal...@gmail.com wrote: > Blessing of Chaos > +1 stealth action. > 1 blood > dem:Put this card on the acting vampire. If this vampire attempts to > block, the acting vampire cannot play action modifiers requiring > Dementation, Dominate, Presence, or Chimerstry. Vampires opposing this > vampire in combat cannot play cards that require those Disciplines. > DEM:As above, and actions requiring those Disciplines cannot be > directed at this vampire. Wait a second. BoC is great card, but not as good as you make it out to be. > > it means: > -no pre combat ends true > -no obedience not true. Obedience is not a combat card > -no bleed boost when she block a bleed only half true. An acting minion can play conditioning before you get a chance to declare a block. After you declared the block, they can't anymore. > -no scalpel tongue when she plays political action not true. Other people cannot play it when they are acting. > -no deflection when she bleed not true. deflection is neither a combat card nor an action modifier. > -no mind rape and mind numb and sensory deprivation true.

On 17 sep, 16:52, Anthony Coleman <Buntina...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17 Sep, 15:41, luis.pal...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sep 17, 11:46 am, shawn stanley <stan...@pandius.com> wrote: > > > > Assamite > > > Group 4 > > > 10 capacity > > > QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for > > > Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she > > > bleeds, she maty reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap > > > phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed. > > > Really good vampire here, a new god of war! Now with the bleed > > protection of Lost in Translation she's really good. > > She is OK! But much like the [arents of people herehttp://marryourdaughter.org/ > she is slightly overcosted IMO :O) Hoax. Luckily.

On Sep 17, 10:03 am, AcheronNightStal...@gmail.com wrote: > > Blessing of Chaos > +1 stealth action. > 1 blood > dem:Put this card on the acting vampire. If this vampire attempts to > block, the acting vampire cannot play action modifiers requiring > Dementation, Dominate, Presence, or Chimerstry. Vampires opposing this > vampire in combat cannot play cards that require those Disciplines. > DEM:As above, and actions requiring those Disciplines cannot be > directed at this vampire. > > it means: > -no pre combat ends > -no obedience > -no bleed boost when she block a bleed > -no scalpel tongue when she plays political action > -no deflection when she bleed > -no mind rape and mind numb and sensory deprivation > > it is SOLID reason to consider. it is clear? Obedience is a reaction card, as is deflection, as is scalpel tongue. Those cards are played outside of combat and are thus unaffected by Blessings of Chaos as quoted here. So very not clear. John P. Winnipeg

sigh ... i wrote above that i re-read this card. :) so it is not so easy ... anyway she can be tournament worthy :)

[ quoted text not captured ] > Hoax. Luckily.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yup... clearly a hoax! No way I'd pay $50k for Kristin J, she is clearly not worth over twenty! Ant

Jozxyqk wrote: > > Happy New Year! I'm more of a day of Atonement sort of guy. best - chris -- Super Fun Cards http://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ auct...@superfuncards.com

10-cap with cel&for = playable 10-cap without multiaction = far less playable QUI OBF CEL DEM for pro = possibilities for sure thucimia's specials and clan = also interesting - is she gamebreaking? no. and that is good. - is she usable? well, i'm one of those crazy people who even think appolonius is "usable," but she is a darn sight better than him (the standard in 10-crap vamps.) spore if she were !malk!, everyone would be asking why no auspex, but probably defending her incredible possibilities for other shenanigans... i mean, look! she has cel&for!

librarian <auct...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Jozxyqk wrote: > > > > Happy New Year! > I'm more of a day of Atonement sort of guy. Well, that's why I can't go to the NAC. :(

> Assamite > Group 4 > 10 capacity > QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for > Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she > bleeds, she maty reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap > phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed. I'm just curious and eager : - to see what the smaller, more playable vampires look like in this expansion - to know why the Previews show a large majority of big vampires, as if this was more exciting. Or maybe they just select the ones with specials they deem interesting, and the higher-caps have more ? -- Orpheus ---------------- Top of Ban / Fix List : PTO, Champion, Memories of Mortality.

On Sep 17, 1:10 pm, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@free.fr> wrote: > I'm just curious and eager : > > - to see what the smaller, more playable vampires look like in this > expansion > - to know why the Previews show a large majority of big vampires, as if this > was more exciting. Or maybe they just select the ones with specials they > deem interesting, and the higher-caps have more ? > -- > Orpheus > ---------------- > Top of Ban / Fix List : PTO, Champion, Memories of Mortality. I think they are looking for exciting specials. I'm also very curious to see what the smaller to mid-caps have to offer. My favorite vampire from 3rd edition: Stick! John P. Winnipeg

[ quoted text not captured ] my fav was Ermenegildo the Rake - pot DOM OBT bh 5 cap - luv :D but anyway i agree that big cappers have more interesting specials than 2 cap dudes :P

[ quoted text not captured ] Sorry man. If it makes you feel any better, I'll play my Aabt Kindred Atonement deck at least once next week... [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sep 17, 11:51 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Jozxyqk wrote: > > librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > >> Jozxyqk wrote: > > >>> Happy New Year! > > >> I'm more of a day of Atonement sort of guy. > > > Well, that's why I can't go to the NAC. :( > > Sorry man. If it makes you feel any better, I'll play my Aabt Kindred > Atonement deck at least once next week... > > best - > > chris > > -- > Super Fun Cardshttp://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ > aucti...@superfuncards.com God I hope we are not sitting at the same table when I play mine! Though Bima on Bima should be interesting. And you will be very happy when I call my Consag Boons! Vegas gNat

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:33:11 +0200, Alex Ek <a...@student.chalmers.se> wrote: > shawn stanley skrev: >> Assamite >> Group 4 >> 10 capacity >> QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for >> Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she >> bleeds, she maty reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap >> phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed. > > It's finally happend! > A vampire that is worse than Appolonius has been printed ;) > Best day ever I think she is rather good. She has some insane combat potential. I was toying around with her combat angle and her multiaction angle, and she is excellent in both. In fact, in the right deck, she can pull of 2-3 rushes and a bleed easily - with the right support, maybe even some politics. She definitely got me thinking more than Jamal or Durga Syn did. I'm definitely going to try some Blessing of Chaos multi-rush deck with her, and test if her specials are really as good as they seem (+1 hand size helps combat greatly; bleed special is, basically, having permanent unstealable Fragment if rushes come before bleed). -- Regards, Daneel

[ quoted text not captured ] Wait, I'm getting a deja vu from the last LA game day - except it wasn't me playing the other Aabt deck, it was Mike from Phoenix... best - chris "A déją vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix." [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sep 17, 6:46 am, shawn stanley <stan...@pandius.com> wrote: > Assamite > Group 4 > 10 capacity > QUI OBF DEM CEL pro for > Independent: Thucimia has one vote (titled). Once each time she > bleeds, she maty reduce your hand size by 2 until your next untap > phase to get +1 bleed. +1 hand size. Blood cursed. Nicely placed in group 4, which previously capped at 8 with Yazid, Amaravati, and Antara. CEL OBF pro allows for Reza Fatir and !Gangrel mixing, the DEM OBF bleed potential goes without saying (though me and everyone has said it. Hm.) Joe Hill and Janni combine with fortitude, and their special each benefit melee weapon combat and Strike at the True Flesh for the makings of a decent Weapons + prevent combat trio. A quick ARDB search reveals that there are already 10 vampires with [For Qui], 6 of whom have Cel, and one of them is Ubende, who also has obf and 2 votes (and PRE). Multi-act stealth bleed and vote? Without Arika?! Elder Library Dreams Infernal Pursuit superior to taste - always have the hand you want Breed and Bleed WOKRs - Alamut with Con Boon Bloat is a 6 to 8 card module. (3 x Alamut + 3-5 Con Boons). I dunno - just typing out loud. I think there is lots of potential. Again, this is a vampire you'll either use 4x or more in the crypt or not at all.