Report & TWD Belarusian National Vtes Сhampionship Augest 28nd 2011

Belarusian National Vtes Сhampionship - Minsk, Belorussia - Augest 28nd 2011 1) Pavel Viatluhin g1/2 weenie Computer Hacking 2) Mikhail Ban - Al-Muntaquim's path of revenge 3) Oleg Vashkevich - Massassi block&rush 4) Freeze - FoS g4/5 Bread&bleed 5) Shakh Nikita - DoC g5/6 Shattering Crescendo 6) Dmitriy Konstantinov - Broken Brujah 7) Alex Minov - Simpl Plane g1/2 Cel weenie 8) Maria Semenova - g1/2 Pot weenie 9) Vadim Grigorev - Eagle`s sight g2/3 Aus weenie 10) Ilya Kabanov - Tzimisce g2/3 intersept 11) Dmitriy Belastotski - Carna 12) Ivan Chebunin - KGB in charge Tor g1/2 toolbox 13) Andrew Kashpar - Una freakshow 14) Ivan Kalinich - G1/2 Bru 15) Alexander Kitanin - Rachel Brandywine twister 16) Anton Dudko - 419 Operation madness Round 1 Table 1 Pavel Viatluhin 1Vp Mikhail Ban Oleg Vashkevich Freeze 3Vp GW Table 2 Shakh Nikita Dmitriy Konstantinov 3Vp GW Alex Minov Maria Semenova 1Vp Table 3 Vadim Grigorev 4Vp GW Ilya Kabanov Dmitriy Belastotski Ivan Chebunin Table 4 Andrew Kashpar 0,5Vp Ivan Kalinich 0,5Vp Alexander Kitanin 0,5Vp Anton Dudko 0,5Vp Round 2 Table 1 Maria Semenova 1Vp Pavel Viatluhin 1Vp Ivan Kalinich Dmitriy Belastotski 2Vp GW Table 2 Ivan Chebunin Shakh Nikita 4Vp GW Mikhail Ban Alexander Kitanin Table 3 Anton Dudko Vadim Grigorev 1Vp Dmitriy Konstantinov Oleg Vashkevich 3Vp GW Table 4 Freeze Andrew Kashpar Ilya Kabanov Alex Minov 4Vp GW Round 3 Table 1 Alexander Kitanin 0,5Vp Alex Minov 1,5Vp Pavel Viatluhin Vadim Grigorev 0,5Vp Table 2 Ilya Kabanov Anton Dudko 1Vp Maria Semenova Mikhail Ban 3Vp GW Table 3 Oleg Vashkevich Dmitriy Belastotski Andrew Kashpar 4Vp GW Shakh Nikita Table 4 Dmitriy Konstantinov 1,5Vp Freeze Ivan Chebunin 1,5Vp Ivan Kalinich Before final: 1) Vadim Grigorev 1GW 5,5Vp 144Tp 2) Alex Minov 1GW 5,5Vp 138Tp 3) Dmitriy Konstantinov 1GW 4,5Vp 132Tp 4) Andrew Kashpar 1GW 4,5Vp 124Tp 5) Shakh Nikita 1GW 4Vp 6) Mikhail Ban 1GW 3Vp 106Tp -) Oleg Vashkevich 1GW 3Vp 106Tp -) Freeze 1GW 3Vp 106Tp 9) Dmitriy Belastotski 1GW 2Vp 10) Maria Semenova 2Vp 102Tp 11) Pavel Viatluhin 2Vp 96Tp 12) Ivan Chebunin 1,5Vp 110Tp 13) Anton Dudko 1,5Vp 102Tp 14) Alexander Kitanin 1Vp 15) Ivan Kalinich 0,5Vp 16) Ilya Kabanov Final Shakh Nikita 2Vp Andrew Kashpar 3Vp GW Dmitriy Konstantinov Vadim Grigorev Alex Minov Final standings: 1) Andrew Kashpar 2GW 7,5Vp 2) Vadim Grigorev 1GW 5,5Vp 2) Alex Minov 1GW 5,5Vp 2) Dmitriy Konstantinov 1GW 4,5Vp 2) Shakh Nikita 1GW 6Vp 6) Mikhail Ban 1GW 3Vp 6) Oleg Vashkevich 1GW 3Vp 6) Freeze 1GW 3Vp 9) Dmitriy Belastotski 1GW 2Vp 10) Maria Semenova 2Vp 11) Pavel Viatluhin 2Vp 12) Ivan Chebunin 1,5Vp 13) Anton Dudko 1,5Vp 14) Alexander Kitanin 1Vp 15) Ivan Kalinich 0,5Vp 16) Ilya Kabanov

Deck Name: Una Freak Show Created By: Andrei Kashpar Description: Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 4, Max: 36, Avg: 5) 1 Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff 1 Angela Decker pre 1 Pander 1 Antoinette DuChamp cel pre 1 Caitiff 1 Franciscus aus 1 Caitiff 1 March Halcyon for 1 Pander 1 Sandra White 1 Caitiff 6 Una dem ANI FOR PRE PRO9 Gangrel Antitribu Library: (90 cards) Master (2 cards) 1 Pentex Subversion 1 Sudden Reversal Action (22 cards) 1 Abbot 1 Ambush 1 Big Game 1 Blessing of Chaos 1 Bum`s Rush 1 Covenant of Blood 1 Creation Rites 1 Deep Song 1 Enrage 1 Eternal Vigilance 1 Games of Instinct 1 Harass 1 Heart of the City 1 Mantle of the Bestial Majesty 1 Resilient Mind 1 Rumble 1 Scrounging 1 Sense Death 1 Shadow of the Beast 1 Taunt the Caged Beast 1 War Party 1 Zillah`s Tears Action Modifier (43 cards) 41 Freak Drive 2 Perfect Paragon Political Action (3 cards) 1 Ancient Influence 1 Scourge 1 Templar Combat (4 cards) 4 Hidden Strength Ally (2 cards) 1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1 Mylan Horseed (Goblin) Retainer (3 cards) 1 J. S. Simmons, Esq. 1 Mr. Winthrop 1 Owl Companion Equipment (10 cards) 1 Aaron`s Feeding Razor 1 Blade of Enoch 1 Blood Tears of Kephran 1 Combat Shotgun 1 Hawg 1 IR Goggles 1 Ivory Bow 1 Kevlar Vest 1 Leather Jacket 1 Sengir Dagger Combo (1 cards) 1 Touch of Clarity

I'm a bit surprised at no Ghoul Retainer or Aaron's Feeding Razor, but it's nice to see an Una deck win (again). Good job! Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

There is a Razor in there

First: Congratulations to the win! Then, IMHO: This is possibly the most boring deck archetype ever to plague Vtes. I have no idea what the designer thought of when Una was created. And as for playing it: why not just play solitaire, if you don´t want to interact with other players? "Oh, no one has a DI on hand? OK, then I just won the game. Nice of you others to drop by. Have a nice day!" "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

> Ashur wrote: > And as for playing it: why not just play solitaire, if you don´t want to interact with other players? "Oh, no one has a DI on hand? OK, then I just won the game. Nice of you others to drop by. Have a nice day!" > A single, or even multiple 'cancel' cards do not stop an Una deck, nor does a lack of 'cancel' cards allow an Una deck to instantly win. There are many factors that force the deck into certain positions, and the deck is difficult to play well, even though it appears on the surface to be simple. Sure, you can get a fair amount of VPs with it, but putting yourself into a position to get the GW every table isn't easy. I've seen this to be true for almost all Tier1 decks, including Kindred Spirits decks. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

i get the impression that Una only wins if she uses the 11+ rush actions to torporize the entire table? combat is pretty interactive! and there's no 100% guaranteed combat winning strategy. Turbo Arika/Lucita/Baron are much more 'solitaire' than this.

> Ashur wrote: > First: Congratulations to the win! > > Then, IMHO: This is possibly the most boring deck archetype ever to plague Vtes. I have no idea what the designer thought of when Una was created. > > And as for playing it: why not just play solitaire, if you don´t want to interact with other players? "Oh, no one has a DI on hand? OK, then I just won the game. Nice of you others to drop by. Have a nice day!" > I recommend playing this deck to understand why it's interesting and not solitaire. Yes, there are some games you'll win, but it generates a huge amount of table hate, and many things can go wrong. In a game I suspect I'll remember forever, I was playing Euro Brujah and my prey was an Una deck. I was about to torpor Una with the 3rd or 4th 2nd tradition of the turn, when my grandpredator DI'd *my* 2nd Tradition. Una proceeded to hunt back up to full health, torpored her prey's minions (and mine), got 1 VP, and was done. My grandpredator won, without a predator to hassle him. Una definitely is far from "auto-win unless there is a DI or Pentex." Ira

I saw final. It was a beautiful and presize game of Andrew Kashpar. The deck itself is not so broken. Medium intercept nearby, or heavy combat module deck, or even DirectI with DarkI and Pentex from anywhere do mass problems to it. Only 0.5 VP after 2 rounds. Imbueds with Determines, Unmasking and Second Sight will burst out laughing at Una's face. NC Belarus

> Exposer wrote: > Imbueds with Determines, Unmasking and Second Sight will burst out laughing at Una's face. > Determine does nothing, as the deck has either zero or very few duplicate actions. And I'm not sure how intercepting Una helps you, either... Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

It is enough to deprive Una's opportunity to torporize vampires. That's all. In this case crutial actions are: Ivory Bow, Sengir Dagger, Mantle of the Bestial Majesty. So, let's block two actions and DI third one. NC Belarus

That's why Una's better with the Sargon Fragment

> That's why Una's better with the Sargon Fragment > Ok, ok. Then we have the fourth crutial action to block/cancel. But really, with it deck seems to be stonger. NC Belarus

> Ira wrote: > I recommend playing this deck to understand why it's interesting and not solitaire. Yes, there are some games you'll win, but it generates a huge amount of table hate, and many things can go wrong. > > In a game I suspect I'll remember forever, I was playing Euro Brujah and my prey was an Una deck. I was about to torpor Una with the 3rd or 4th 2nd tradition of the turn, when my grandpredator DI'd *my* 2nd Tradition. Una proceeded to hunt back up to full health, torpored her prey's minions (and mine), got 1 VP, and was done. My grandpredator won, without a predator to hassle him. > > Una definitely is far from "auto-win unless there is a DI or Pentex." > I have played against this deck enough to have an opinion. I really don´t understand what is interesting. Either you sit around playing with yourself for loads of time, and win. Or you fizzle, and get ousted. Boring deck, bad card design. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

Concise reporting is of value. Belarusian National Vtes Сhampionship Minsk, Belorussia August 28, 2011 16 players 3R + F Andrew Kashpar's Tournament Winning Deck with 3 VPs in the Finals Deck Name: Una Freak Show Created By: Andrei Kashpar Description: Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 9 average: 5 6x Una (9) archbishopGangrel antitribu(g3) 1x Anarch Convert (1)Caitiff(g0) 1x Angela Decker (1)Pander(g2) 1x Antoinette DuChamp (1) Caitiff(g2) 1x Franciscus (1)Caitiff(g2) 1x March Halcyon (1)Pander(g2) 1x Sandra White (1)Caitiff(g3) Library [90 cards] Action [22] 1x Abbot 1x Ambush 1x Big Game 1x Blessing of Chaos 1x Bum's Rush 1x Covenant of Blood 1x Creation Rites 1x Deep Song 1x Enrage 1x Eternal Vigilance 1x Games of Instinct 1x Harass 1x Heart of the City 1x Mantle of the Bestial Majesty 1x Resilient Mind 1x Rumble 1x Scrounging 1x Sense Death 1x Shadow of the Beast 1x Taunt the Caged Beast 1x War Party 1x Zillah's Tears Action Modifier [43] 41x Freak Drive 2x Perfect Paragon Action Modifier / Reaction [1] 1x Touch of Clarity Ally [2] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) Combat [4] 4x Hidden Strength Equipment [10] 1x Aaron's Feeding Razor 1x Blade of Enoch 1x Blood Tears of Kephran 1x Combat Shotgun 1x Hawg 1x IR Goggles 1x Ivory Bow 1x Kevlar Vest 1x Leather Jacket 1x Sengir Dagger Master [2] 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion 1x Sudden Reversal Political Action [3] 1x Ancient Influence 1x Scourge 1x Templar Retainer [3] 1x J. S. Simmons, Esq. 1x Mr. Winthrop 1x Owl Companion

> Ashur wrote: > > > Ira wrote: > > I recommend playing this deck to understand why it's interesting and not solitaire. Yes, there are some games you'll win, but it generates a huge amount of table hate, and many things can go wrong. > > > > In a game I suspect I'll remember forever, I was playing Euro Brujah and my prey was an Una deck. I was about to torpor Una with the 3rd or 4th 2nd tradition of the turn, when my grandpredator DI'd *my* 2nd Tradition. Una proceeded to hunt back up to full health, torpored her prey's minions (and mine), got 1 VP, and was done. My grandpredator won, without a predator to hassle him. > > > > Una definitely is far from "auto-win unless there is a DI or Pentex." > > > I have played against this deck enough to have an opinion. I really don´t understand what is interesting. Either you sit around playing with yourself for loads of time, and win. Or you fizzle, and get ousted. Boring deck, bad card design. > I agree that it was probably bad design, because it shifts the time balance of the game so significantly, and because many decks won't be able to interact with it. Even though I wouldn't play it again, I'd still say it's far from boring. Ira

CCGs cater to a lot of different interests. Ideally, from a game management perspective, you provide different types of cards/strategies to cater to varying interests but limit those that annoy a large segment of the playerbase. My greatest problem with Imbued isn't effectiveness or playing a different game or Events, it's how deadly dull I find them. I like cards in hand to be the most important thing in CCGs, not cards in play. Meanwhile, I'm well aware that others find Imbued interesting. Take anything and some will find it interesting and others dull. I find stealth bleed to be the most interesting strategy in the game. The battle of trying to deal damage through intercept and, more importantly, bounce interests me far more than any combo deck does. Yet, I routinely see comments to the effect that it's the most boring strategy in the game. To each their own. Traveller Card Game