Inconnu?

I am a big fan of the immersion in the game (imagine stuff like "Koko gets a chainsaw and a hawg and rushes Carna in her Ankara Citadel") as well as the lore of Vampire The Masquerade. I guess this is because I´m not just a gamer - I´m a rpg nerd gamer. Anyway, these things give VtES an extra dimension in my opinion. Sadly, WW have not always promoted those bits of the game. Instead they sometimes went for a "It´s just a bunch of cards, cards needs to be designed, it doesn´t matter what they´re called and what seem to happen in game"-approach. A good example of this is the Inconnu event cards. What really happens when those cards are dropped on the table? - Inconnu Tutelage: "A Methuselah may spend four transfers and remove a vampire in his or her uncontrolled region from the game to search for any card in his or her library and put it in his or her hand (discarding and shuffling afterward)." OK, so the Inconnu have some dubious methods for getting things done. They sacrifice vamps. Now, their secret seems to be out! Suddenly every player can do this? Shouldn´t this more likely have been a master card? - Narrow Minds: "Do not replace until your untap phase. Minion cards that change the target of a bleed cost an additional blood or life." Eeeeh? The Inconnu suddenly induce headache in ... everyone that bounces bleeds? I don´t get it. - Urban Jungle: "Blood hunt referendums get an additional 2 votes against the referendum." What has this to do with the Inconnu?! The secret Golconda/demon sect is suddenly promoting diablerie. For everyone. I don´t get it. Some of these things might have something to do with me not being up to date with the Vampire lore, please inform me. I guess I´m also confused why the Inconnu trait became a event trait instead of a vamp trait. Anyone know anything? "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

I would think it was eventually going to become a vampire trait also if the game would have continued, there are quite a few keywords that don't mean anything at the moment.

It might have been one of those things LSJ left open for future release integration. Like the Bahari thing. Other examples of apparently pointless things that got some type of release cards to context were the Regent card (turned into a proper title), Sabbat Inquisitor trait and the release of the Treaty of Laibach after the release of a vampire who could fetch it. Since the Inconnu are what's left of the 4th generation Ventrue and some other really old kindred, who were very, very powerful, I don't think they would be released. I mean, 7 or 8 new 's... Another way to go would be to release new, non-cannon vampires that could have smaller capacities and power. Don't know. Probably never will.

Well Dracula was member of the Inconnu also and he was only like 7th generation or something like that

> Klaital wrote: > Well Dracula was member of the Inconnu also and he was only like 7th generation or something like that > True, true. But he was one of the few not belonging to 4th or 5th Generation and he didn't have nothing to do with the Castle they have or the rituals to keep it. And he's the biggest cliché possible.

> Brum wrote: > Since the Inconnu are what's left of the 4th generation Ventrue and some other really old kindred, who were very, very powerful, I don't think they would be released. > I mean, 7 or 8 new 's... > > Another way to go would be to release new, non-cannon vampires that could have smaller capacities and power. > Don't know. Probably never will. > Although the eldest Inconnu mentioned in VTM sourcebooks are Ventrue, members of the sect come from many clans (even Tremere and Kiasyd). And bear in mind that Inconnu is a rather mixed group - it is not stated that all are on the Hunedoara track. I have no problem with more 11 caps, as long as they are balanced (hideous drawbacks, grouping numbers etc). But sure, it is a game design challenge. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

The Inconnu typically do not take an active role in the Jyhad, so the sect doesn't really fit in the game. That said, "Inconnu" characters like Pentweret have been printed. Darker Days Radio - The World of Darkness Podcast

> Klaital wrote: > Well Dracula was member of the Inconnu also and he was only like 7th generation or something like that > He was 5th generation. V:EKN Website Coordinator

> Damnans wrote: > > > Klaital wrote: > > Well Dracula was member of the Inconnu also and he was only like 7th generation or something like that > > > He was 5th generation. > 6th originally but he diablerized his grandsire and gained a generation from that, just checked.

> Klaital wrote: > > > Damnans wrote: > > > > > Klaital wrote: > > > Well Dracula was member of the Inconnu also and he was only like 7th generation or something like that > > > > > > > > He was 5th generation. > > > 6th originally but he diablerized his grandsire and gained a generation from that, just checked. > Which happened right after he was embraced. V:EKN Website Coordinator

> Ashur wrote: > - Inconnu Tutelage: "A Methuselah may spend four transfers and remove a vampire in his or her uncontrolled region from the game to search for any card in his or her library and put it in his or her hand (discarding and shuffling afterward)." OK, so the Inconnu have some dubious methods for getting things done. They sacrifice vamps. Now, their secret seems to be out! Suddenly every player can do this? Shouldn´t this more likely have been a master card? > Uh, they sacrifice guys to get information? And everyone can do it, 'cause word gets around? > - Narrow Minds: "Do not replace until your untap phase. Minion cards that change the target of a bleed cost an additional blood or life." Eeeeh? The Inconnu suddenly induce headache in ... everyone that bounces bleeds? I don´t get it. > Hmm. There are is a lot of information about the Inconnu floating about. So it makes it difficult to pass false information that makes people do what you want them to (i.e. go bleed someone else). More effort is required due to the high level of misinformation around? > - Urban Jungle: "Blood hunt referendums get an additional 2 votes against the referendum." What has this to do with the Inconnu?! The secret Golconda/demon sect is suddenly promoting diablerie. For everyone. I don´t get it. > You know where you are? You're in the jungle, baby. And you're gonna die! That is all the explanation that is needed. > I guess I´m also confused why the Inconnu trait became a event trait instead of a vamp trait. Anyone know anything? > As noted, probably for future exploitation. That never came to be.

> bakija wrote: > > > Ashur wrote: > > I guess I´m also confused why the Inconnu trait became a event trait instead of a vamp trait. Anyone know anything? > > > As noted, probably for future exploitation. That never came to be. > Or maybe because they are the most secretive organization of vampires in existence. Jussi Hattara Webmaster Extraordinaire Finnish Politics!

I've created 24 members of the Inconnu, including all known members of the Council of Twelve. Plus, I've made about 28 Inconnu specific cards and 50 other cards...pretty much enough for a mini-set. Any one have a suggestion for a way to show them all here in an easy fashion? Prince of Puyallup

> glaswanderer wrote: > I've created 24 members of the Inconnu, including all known members of the Council of Twelve. Plus, I've made about 28 Inconnu specific cards and 50 other cards...pretty much enough for a mini-set. > > Any one have a suggestion for a way to show them all here in an easy fashion? > Put them into an excel sheet using the columns of the vteslib.csv format. Put the illustrations with the same name as the cards into a folder on your disk (if any). Run my wonderful tool . They'll be generated as pdf files. I can also send you a excel sheet which transform the cards into a forum-friendly format Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director