Hello all,
Fallowing the ruling on www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/82824-non-vtes-ban-ruling-question.
We will be starting series of scheduled events with restricted access solely based on location Banishment.
Thus only selected 10 player will be participating.
This was made to demonstrate how this will disrupt the player standing in standard, and change the top 5 player ranking.
Fallowing this ruling we are under no sanctions for this and it does not brake set Code of Ethics and stated rules.
Thus here we go.
Standard Constructed
Format: Standard Constructed 3 rounds plus finals.
Proxy Cards: Allowed - printed out on standard printer paper and inserted over original Vtes card into opaque sleeves.
Decklists: Txt, VDB
Time limit: 2 hours for regular rounds, Finals - 2 hours +10 minutes for each ousted Metuselah(potential total of 2h 30mins).
Event 1 of many date: 03.07.2026
Event 2 of many date: 03.14.2026
Event 3 of many date: 03.21.2026
Event 4 of many date: 03.28.2026
Event 5 of many date: 04.04.2026
Event 6 of many date: 04.11.2026
Event 7 of many date: 04.18.2026
Event 8 of many date: 04.25.2026
Event 9 of many date: 05.02.2026
Event 10 of many date:05.09.2026
What do you like to prove, man? I mean, make your tourneys, all fun to you guys, no prob. But on what quest are you with your location Banishment thing and disrupting the ranking? Weird, man, really.
Baron of Frankfurt
> Joscha wrote:
> What do you like to prove, man? I mean, make your tourneys, all fun to you guys, no prob. But on what quest are you with your location Banishment thing and disrupting the ranking? Weird, man, really.
>
Its a loophole i would like to fill.
interesting project. getting 10 selected players to play each sunday for 10 weeks straight is a feat in itself. grats
i dont think you will disrupt the top ranks too much. you only get 68 ranking points for a 10 player tournament +gw/vp score.
i think i already proved that our ranking system was never meant to be "fair" or overly competitive. its just some extra motivation for the players. at least that is my understanding. i dont need a ranking system to know that Milos could be world rank 1, if he played as much as i do...
Hi Martin,
Good to hear from you.
We do play almost every week, starting from 13 up to 22, just making use of it.
We did a rough math, so after 10 tournaments, one should be close if not number 1 with close to 1.900 points, starting from 0.
If i allow Milos to play, he needs only 400 points (two wins) to get to you this time .
Project it is, i do try my best.
> angrynewb wrote:
> interesting project. getting 10 selected players to play each sunday for 10 weeks straight is a feat in itself. grats
>
> i dont think you will disrupt the top ranks too much. you only get 68 ranking points for a 10 player tournament +gw/vp score.
>
> i think i already proved that our ranking system was never meant to be "fair" or overly competitive. its just some extra motivation for the players. at least that is my understanding. i dont need a ranking system to know that Milos could be world rank 1, if he played as much as i do...
>
The fair part is all tournaments are open, and we all got a shot, not like this example.
uhm ok, maybe you misunderstand how the ranking works? you only get best 8 tournaments ranked in the current 18 month period.
10 player tournament win with 3GW 12VP will give you about 130 RtP.
130x8= 1040 rating. not even top 10
quick math if you add those wins to Milos ranking he would be at 1150 rating. also not top 10.
you really need to win tournaments with high participation (40+ players) to advance top10 ranks.
> angrynewb wrote:
> uhm ok, maybe you misunderstand how the ranking works? you only get best 8 tournaments ranked in the current 18 month period.
>
> 10 player tournament win with 3GW 12VP will give you about 130 RtP.
>
> 130x8= 1040 rating. not even top 10
>
> quick math if you add those wins to Milos ranking he would be at 1150 rating. also not top 10.
>
> you really need to win tournaments with high participation (40+ players) to advance top10 ranks.
>
As i know 194, should be the best case, so 1552, on all 8, but true, more players better.
I kindly propose to lock and close this topic, as both potentially toxic and speculative.
The ruling ans explanation given in the other thread that was started clearly expalined that ban of a particular player does not mean that that automatically disqualifies a venue from hosting the tournament.
As for the local implications of this outcome of events, we are aiming to resolve this over a community meeting.
Best,
hm i dont know where your calculation went wrong.
i can calculate you the absolute maximum amount.
4gw+20vp= 112 rating
+5 participation rating= 117 rating
Coef = log15(NumPlayers2) - 1 = log15(100)-1= 0,7
rtp for winning= 90x0,7=63= 180 rtp tops (which, to my knowledge, no living being ever achieved xD)
> mipopo3 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Fallowing the ruling on www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/82824-non-vtes-ban-ruling-question.
>
> We will be starting series of scheduled events with restricted access solely based on location Banishment.
>
> Thus only selected 10 player will be participating.
>
> This was made to demonstrate how this will disrupt the player standing in standard, and change the top 5 player ranking.
>
> Fallowing this ruling we are under no sanctions for this and it does not brake set Code of Ethics and stated rules.
>
A few remarks:
1/ if you want to "prove" something that is mathematically provable, you don't have to do it in real life.
2/ organizing tournaments in order to "demonstrate how this will disrupt the player standing in standard" is a way of trying to cheat somehow, no matter how you turn the thing. "Disrupting player standing" cannot be considered as ethical especially when =>
3/ all tournaments are supposed to be as inclusive as possible. Sometimes organizers don't have the choice in the venue that may prevent some people from coming, but choosing such locations on purpose of excluding eligible players hinders the section 1. of the www.vekn.net/tournament-rulesTournament rules , that is player eligibility:
1.1. Player Eligibility
Any player is eligible to participate in an open, non-invitational, V:EKN-sanctioned tournament (for non-open tournaments, see section 9.8) except for the following:
The tournament organizer of record (unless he or she is participating in an event that uses the Multi-Judge System; see section 2.9);
The head judge and any other listed judges of record (exception: see section 2.9);
Players currently suspended by the V:EKN;
Other players specifically prohibited from participation by V:EKN or Black Chantry Productions limited policy.
Any ineligible player participating in a V:EKN-sanctioned tournament will be subject to the Judges' Guide and further V:EKN review.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director