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Cave of Apples and Weigh the Heart (sup)

3 messages from 2 participants · 03 September 2025 – 07 September 2025 · vekn.net/forum
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Hobbesgoblin

LSJ ruled in 2009 that "weign the heart" (sup) triggers after " Cave of Apples' change-of-control clause window is closed" groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O0nUeORcnOQ/m/opEo4wOY_YYJ But since then the card text of "Weigh the Heart" changed Old Text Weigh the heart KMW Only usable as a -Action is announced. If this action is successful, put a corruption counter on a minion controlled by the target mehtuselah (after resolving the action) New Text Weigh the heart POD Only usable as a directed action is announced. After action resolution, if this action was successful, put 1 corruption counter on a minion controlled by (any of) the target Methuselah(s). The new text explicetly puts the Effect into well defined and often used "after action reoslution" window, so my question is: does the Above Ruling/Post by LSJ uphold, or has the changed card text changed that? second question: While very theoretical due to disciplines: Could you play way the heart (sup) and Revelations of the Serpeion (sup) on Platonum protocol (all disciplines) to immedeatly place and burn 2 corruption counter to unlock? Cave of Apples Unique location. Ministers you control can put 1 corruption counter on an ally or younger vampire controlled by your prey as a Ⓓ action. If the action is successful and the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds their capacity or cost, you can burn those counters to steal that minion. Revelations of the Serpent Only usable during a bleed action. +1 bleed (limited), or +1 stealth and +1 bleed (limited). As above, and if the bleed is successful, this vampire can burn 2 of your corruption counters from a minion controlled by the target Methuselah to unlock. Platinum Protocol Requires an Anarch. More than one Discipline can be used to play this card. Ⓓ Bleed. This is a +1 stealth action. The bleed is with +1 bleed. Put 1 corruption counter on a minion controlled by the target Methuselah if the bleed is successful (for 1 or more).

Ankha

> Hobbesgoblin wrote: > LSJ ruled in 2009 that "weign the heart" (sup) triggers after " Cave of Apples' change-of-control clause window is closed" > > groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O0nUeORcnOQ/m/opEo4wOY_YYJ > > But since then the card text of "Weigh the Heart" changed > > Old Text > > Weigh the heart KMW > > Only usable as a -Action is announced. If this action is successful, put a corruption counter on a minion controlled by the target mehtuselah (after resolving the action) > > New Text > > Weigh the heart POD > > Only usable as a directed action is announced. After action resolution, if this action was successful, put 1 corruption counter on a minion controlled by (any of) the target Methuselah(s). > > The new text explicetly puts the Effect into well defined and often used "after action reoslution" window, so my question is: does the Above Ruling/Post by LSJ uphold, or has the changed card text changed that? > "After resolving the action" (old cardtext) and "after resolution" (new cardtext) means the same. So nothing has changed. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Ankha

> Hobbesgoblin wrote: > > second question: > While very theoretical due to disciplines: > Could you play way the heart (sup) and Revelations of the Serpeion (sup) on Platonum protocol (all disciplines) to immedeatly place and burn 2 corruption counter to unlock? > Yes. The first counter is put during resolution of Platinum Protocol, then after resolution, the second one with Weigh the Heart and then you can burn 2 counters thanks to Revelations of the Serpent to unlock. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director