Steeming from a discord discussion on the topic:
A plays Wave of Lethargy, B plays Obedient Flesh, does B pay one more? A plays Wave of Lethargy, B plays Concealed Weapon + .44 Magnum, does B pay one more?
Given that:
Optional maneuvers/presses still count for Wave of Lethargy [LSJ 20060725] But cards that provide press/maneuver "by themselves" (eg. Trap) do not [LSJ 20060727] A card played "not in the normal fashion" is still played, aka. The Shard / Antonio ruling
Previous rulings would be you do not pay for a concealed magnum but you pay for an Obedient Flesh, but it is hard to reconcile with the new card text and the latest Tshwane/Shard rulings on played cards costs.
Wave of Lethargy
The Shard, London
Antonio d'Erlette
It's better to have the card texts included (because they may change overtime) rather than links
Name: Wave of Lethargy
[FN:R2, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Quietus
Only usable before range is determined. A vampire can play only one Wave of Lethargy each round.
[qui] Cards providing maneuvers and/or presses cost the opposing vampire 1 additional blood to play this round.
[QUI] As above, and strike cards cost the opposing vampire 1 additional blood to play this round.
Name: Obedient Flesh
[V5C:PTz4]
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Dominate & Protean
[dom][pro] [ACTION MODIFIER] +1 stealth. Allies get -1 intercept.
[DOM][PRO] [COMBAT] Only usable before range is determined. This round, this vampire gets +1 strength, 1 optional maneuver and can prevent 1 damage. A vampire can play only one Obedient Flesh each round.
Name: Concealed Weapon
[Jyhad:C, CE:C/PB/PTo, BH:PTo4, KMW:PAl3, LotN:PG2, KoT:C/PT2]
Cardtype: Combat
Only usable before range is determined.
This minion equips with a non-unique weapon card from your hand (requirements and cost apply as normal). The weapon cannot cost 3 or more pool or inflict (with a regular strike) aggravated damage or 4 or more damage.
Name: .44 Magnum
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, Sabbat:C, SW:PB, CE:PTo3, LoB:PO3, FB:PTr2, V5:PTr1]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 2 pool
Weapon: gun.
Strike: 2R damage, with 1 optional maneuver each combat.
> lip wrote:
> A) A plays Wave of Lethargy, B plays Obedient Flesh, does B pay one more?
>
Obedient Flesh provides a maneuver when played at superior, so yes.
> lip wrote:
> B) A plays Wave of Lethargy, B plays Concealed Weapon + .44 Magnum, does B pay one more?
>
Neither Concealed Weapon nor .44 Magnum provide a maneuver when played, so no. (.44 Magnum provides a strike + maneuver when used, not when played).
(same thing for Mob Connection etc. groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/2GOLIrXAF8M/m/P4T3Dj6UNL0J)
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