Orian Gissler (8350023) win the French championship with this deck :
Deck Name: escaped from museum [by TTC_master]
Author: TTC_master
Description: Champion de France 2023.
39 joueurs
Vitrolles
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/10551
2GW8,5 (1GW4, 0,5 , 1GW4)
Finale 2nd seed: 1GW1,5
Crypt (12 cards, min=6 max=14 avg=2.33)
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2x Abebe 4 nec obf thn Samedi:4
1x Keith Moody 3 DOM Tremere antitribu:4
1x Lubomira Hradok 3 OBF Nosferatu antitribu:5
1x Alu 2 obf Banu Haqim:5
1x Bloodfeud 2 obf Malkavian antitribu:4
1x Denette Stensen 2 obf Gangrel antitribu:4
1x Jackson Asher 2 dom Ventrue:4
1x New Blood 2 san Blood Brother:ANY
1x Old Neddacka 2 obf Nosferatu antitribu:4
1x César Holfield 1 obf Caitiff:4
1x Iris Bennett 1 pro Caitiff:5
Library (80 cards)
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Master (17; 4 trifle) 4x Agent of Power
5x British Museum, London, The
1x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Inceptor
1x Information Highway
2x Not to Be
1x Powerbase: Montreal
Action (21) 5x Graverobbing
8x Pressing Flesh
8x Summon History
Ally (10) 1x Carlton Van Wyk
1x Cry Wolf
2x Escaped Mental Patient
1x Felix "Fix" Hessian
1x Gianna di Canneto
1x Muddled Vampire Hunter
1x Ponticulus
1x Tye Cooper
1x Veneficti
Equipment (12) 1x Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ritual Goblet
1x Sargon Fragment, The
8x Vial of Elder Vitae
Action Modifier (12) 1x Cloak the Gathering
4x Domain of Evernight
1x Faceless Night
1x Lost in Crowds
1x Spying Mission
4x Veil the Legions
Action Modifier/Combat (1) 1x Swallowed by the Night
Action Modifier/Reaction (1) 1x Gift of Sleep
Reaction (2) 1x Deflection
1x Delaying Tactics
Combat (2) 2x Fake Out
Event (2) 2x Unmasking, The
I'm going to give you the choice I never had.
my summary of the tournament here (in french):
French championship summary
IC Organized play coordinator
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Very interesting deck idea. Some of the cards I have never seen played in any game, e.g. Vial of Elder Vitae or Pressing Flesh. Would like to see it played live one day,
> extrala wrote:
> Very interesting deck idea. Some of the cards I have never seen played in any game, e.g. Vial of Elder Vitae or Pressing Flesh. Would like to see it played live one day,
>
You like to see it played when you are not the victim.
> cordovader wrote:
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> > extrala wrote:
> > Very interesting deck idea. Some of the cards I have never seen played in any game, e.g. Vial of Elder Vitae or Pressing Flesh. Would like to see it played live one day,
> >
> You like to see it played when you are not the victim.
>
I feel there s a whole story behind this post XD
Lurking in the underground of Bologna, Italy
> thelonius wrote:
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> > cordovader wrote:
> >
> > > extrala wrote:
> > > Very interesting deck idea. Some of the cards I have never seen played in any game, e.g. Vial of Elder Vitae or Pressing Flesh. Would like to see it played live one day,
> > >
> > >
> > You like to see it played when you are not the victim.
> >
> I feel there s a whole story behind this post XD
>
Unfortunately we didn’t cross between the rounds. My deck was actually his nemesis, so we could have played together.
It was a very cool tournament with very good players. However, I'm a little disappointed no foreigners showed up despite the early announcement. If you have any feedback about why and what we could do to improve this next year, speak up loud and clear!
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> It was a very cool tournament with very good players. However, I'm a little disappointed no foreigners showed up despite the early announcement. If you have any feedback about why and what we could do to improve this next year, speak up loud and clear!
>
It's a pity because the venue was quite cool and the hospitality of the local players is outstanding, as usual!
PS: To be fair, there was 1 foreigner.
> Ankha wrote:
> It was a very cool tournament with very good players. However, I'm a little disappointed no foreigners showed up despite the early announcement. If you have any feedback about why and what we could do to improve this next year, speak up loud and clear!
>
As for Germany, we currently do not have players visiting VTES tournaments all over Europe (or even the US), except for ECs.
Currently, we "only" have players travelling to Belgium or the Netherlands from the Ruhr area (Bochum etc.).
Before the EC 2019 in Paris, I guess I was the last German player visiting a French tournament: 2015 in Vitrolles.
Maybe it would help to attract German players with an event very close to the German border (e. g. Strasbourg), but I have my doubts.
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
> Hakuron wrote:
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> Maybe it would help to attract German players with an event very close to the German border (e. g. Strasbourg), but I have my doubts.
>
Your doubts seems legitimate. Last year French Championship was in Metz (about the same kind of distance from Germany than Strasbourg depending where you live in Germany) and if I am correct, we didn't see any German players.
As I look at the map, Metz is about the same distance from Bochum than Bruxelles is.
So if the concerned players could give us any insight about why Bruxelles and not Metz we would really appreciate the intel.
> Timo wrote:
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> > Hakuron wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it would help to attract German players with an event very close to the German border (e. g. Strasbourg), but I have my doubts.
> >
> Your doubts seems legitimate. Last year French Championship was in Metz (about the same kind of distance from Germany than Strasbourg depending where you live in Germany) and if I am correct, we didn't see any German players.
>
> As I look at the map, Metz is about the same distance from Bochum than Bruxelles is.
>
> So if the concerned players could give us any insight about why Bruxelles and not Metz we would really appreciate the intel.
>
Easy answer:
- in Belgium you have Belgian players
- in France you have French players
Also in Belgium you have Belgian beer, more apealing for Germans than wine, I guess.
> As I look at the map, Metz is about the same distance from Bochum than Bruxelles is.
>
Bochum - Metz - 4h10
Bochum - Bruxells 3h05 (according to google maps)
Bochum - Utrecht 2h15
I suppose for a day trip 3h is kind of a max limit.
For me (3 more hours east of Bochum) and being far past my thirties most stuff is no longer a day trip. So it's mostly luck if a weekend is doable and in addition family free. Also accommodations must be considered to make the trip worthwhile. So crash space helps a lot or availability of a camp site.
>
> Easy answer:
> - in Belgium you have Belgian players
> - in France you have French players
>
While this is technically correct, it shouldn't make a big difference.
Historically there might be some residues from the "great austrian-french controversy" (for those that remeber this) or legend has it that french players are more competitive/talkative/dealing?
I always enjoyed playing with the Paris crew, so wouldn't hinder me. Mostly distance it is.
>
> Also in Belgium you have Belgian beer, more appealing for Germans than wine, I guess.
>
Also technically correct, but individually false.
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> Timo wrote:
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> > Hakuron wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it would help to attract German players with an event very close to the German border (e. g. Strasbourg), but I have my doubts.
> >
> Your doubts seems legitimate. Last year French Championship was in Metz (about the same kind of distance from Germany than Strasbourg depending where you live in Germany) and if I am correct, we didn't see any German players.
>
> As I look at the map, Metz is about the same distance from Bochum than Bruxelles is.
>
> So if the concerned players could give us any insight about why Bruxelles and not Metz we would really appreciate the intel.
>
Well, Freiburg-players would certainly attend a tournament in Strasbourg when the date is doable. Alf's point is valid: it really helps, if it is possible to attend without the need to stay overnight. Unfortunately Alsace doesn't seem to be the most active region in France either.
Sebastian
In addition, I guess all players are victims of their habits to some extend.
As far as I know, players from Bochum visiting tournaments in the Netherlands and Belgium and Dutch and Belgian players participating in events in Bochum has a long tradition.
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
> cordovader wrote:
> Easy answer:
> - in Belgium you have Belgian players
> - in France you have French players
>
Actually, it was this kind of answer I was looking for.
We "hear" that french players as a whole have a bad reputation.
But we don't know if it is a real thing and if players potentially interested in tournaments abroad are discouraged by that reputation.
So is it a real thing ? Do french players have a bad reputation ?
And yes, I am aware that I hacked the thread but actually, I think this deck is awesome and should have some more light ^^
> Timo wrote:
>
> > cordovader wrote:
> > Easy answer:
> > - in Belgium you have Belgian players
> > - in France you have French players
> >
> So is it a real thing ? Do french players have a bad reputation ?
>
> And yes, I am aware that I hacked the thread but actually, I think this deck is awesome and should have some more light ^^
>
Unless someone opens up a new thread I will answer in this one ...
Personally, I don't think French players have a bad reputation.
What I could think of: the necessity to enter the French-speaking world in order to play with the French players is some kind of barrier to a few German players.
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
I did not hear of any complaints about french players at all for many years.
Please don't think of those things as bad rep. It is all about distance (and age ).
Baron of Frankfurt
> Timo wrote:
>
> > cordovader wrote:
> > Easy answer:
> > - in Belgium you have Belgian players
> > - in France you have French players
> >
> Actually, it was this kind of answer I was looking for.
>
> We "hear" that french players as a whole have a bad reputation.
>
> But we don't know if it is a real thing and if players potentially interested in tournaments abroad are discouraged by that reputation.
>
> So is it a real thing ? Do french players have a bad reputation ?
>
> And yes, I am aware that I hacked the thread but actually, I think this deck is awesome and should have some more light ^^
>
This is of course a joke.
> Hakuron wrote:
> In addition, I guess all players are victims of their habits to some extend.
> As far as I know, players from Bochum visiting tournaments in the Netherlands and Belgium and Dutch and Belgian players participating in events in Bochum has a long tradition.
>
I guess we should "invade" Bochum as a kind invitation to come in France.
I prepare my cocked hat and my horse and i come
And to be serious, i hear the point concerning Strasbourg.
As you mentionned, there are not many players left over there.
It could be also far for many french people ... But why not
We also have in mind to prepare the next French Championship in Paris.
It's not necessary "closed"
Christophe BALTAZAR
French NC
> berlin_tremere wrote:
>
> > Hakuron wrote:
> > In addition, I guess all players are victims of their habits to some extend.
> > As far as I know, players from Bochum visiting tournaments in the Netherlands and Belgium and Dutch and Belgian players participating in events in Bochum has a long tradition.
> >
> I guess we should "invade" Bochum as a kind invitation to come in France.
> I prepare my cocked hat and my horse and i come
>
> And to be serious, i hear the point concerning Strasbourg.
> As you mentionned, there are not many players left over there.
> It could be also far for many french people ... But why not
>
> We also have in mind to prepare the next French Championship in Paris.
> It's not necessary "closed"
>
"Closed" or (more likely) "close"?
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Well, Paris would be fair enough travel-wise since the TGV/ICE connection to Germany is actually a smoothe one, but, sadly, only players in the southwest of Germany can benefit from that AND you still have to invest more than one day because of the distance.
Maybe I can talk Hardy into sharing his thoughts about attractive circumstances for Bochum people attending a tournament in France
"Invading" a tournament in Germany, either in Bochum or maybe Freiburg/Breisgau sounds like a nice task, but I cannot promise that people will understand that they will have to do a "counter-invasion" afterwards.
At least, trying is surely better than not trying.
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
I think, for us (the Austrian playgroup) french is too far for a one day tournament.
From Vienna it´s more than 1000 km to, par exemple, Paris.
So it´s going by flight.
And then you have to get real good flight times to make it and it was not real cheap
And if you have to book a hotel if the flight back doesn´t work...price rises up.
That´s why, as far as I know.
Best regards
Richard
NC Austria
> Ankha wrote:
> However, I'm a little disappointed no foreigners showed up despite the early announcement. If you have any feedback about why and what we could do to improve this next year, speak up loud and clear!
>
Hello Vincent!
> Hakuron wrote:
> Maybe I can talk Hardy into sharing his thoughts about attractive circumstances for Bochum people attending a tournament in France
>
Well, Rudolf indeed could.
We had a discussion on this topic, on the German VEKN web forum, and specifically within the playgroup based in Bochum - the group which usually has some players visiting tournaments in the Netherlands or Belgium, as you know first-hand.
So, my remarks are obviously centered on the Bochum group, but the views seem to be shared by other German players (especially, I see Alf's post above in this thread, which basically summarizes what I am about to confirm).
The reasons are
Travel distance
The consensus amongst most of the players from Bochum is that the travel distance to an event should not be longer than 3, maybe 3,5 hours for a one-way trip, if we want to do that on a single day.
Anything longer than that would need one or even two overnight stays, increasing the expenses (and excluding events on Sundays), and complicating political negotiations at home (most of the players have families).
So, for example an event on a Saturday in Paris means traveling there on Friday (very possibly meaning players would need to take a day of leave from the job), spending two nights in Paris, and traveling back on Sundays.
This applies, it seems, to all possible location in France: Metz has been mentioned above in this thread, which indeed would be the closest town in France from the point of view of the Bochum group - but travel there would take approximately 4 hours by car (so, longer than the limit discussed above), where Brussels is only 3 hours away.
Language barrier
Here, I need to state very careful that I am not sure about the reality of this, as opposed to the perceived situation.
Several players are worried about a possible language problem when playing in France.
Please note that the same problem applies to Spain, which was also brought up in the discussion we had - but in this thread, let us stay focused on France.
Obviously, in a political multi-player game like VTES, the ability to speak a common language on a table is a key requirement.
And even if the localized versions of VTES cards make it easier to get local players interested in the game, the lingua franca for VTES remains English for international events.
A few players have played "Magic - The Gathering" in the past, and encountered severe issues in France, with French players not able - or, as one player stated, even not willing - to speak English.
I want to be very careful here, as in my perception, the Magic tournament scene is prone to all kinds of what I would call unsportsmanlike conduct.... but this is part of what builds perceptions.
One player confirmed that he had language problems when playing VTES with French players in the past.
So, this is indeed something where I would like to hear from the French community:
Is there indeed a language barrier?
Are all the players who join large events (National Championship, Grand Prix) in France able to speak English on a level that allows negotiations?
As this is the Internet:
Please let me re-emphasize that neither I nor any of the players want to insult anyone, or exclude anyone from playing VTES, based on their language!
But Vincent asked what the problems are, and so we need to address this one, and I hope that can happen in a constructive manner.
"It was a perfect plan - until it had contact with reality"
---
Hardy Range
Playgroup Tradition Compliance Manager
> hardyrange wrote:
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> > However, I'm a little disappointed no foreigners showed up despite the early announcement. If you have any feedback about why and what we could do to improve this next year, speak up loud and clear!
> >
> Hello Vincent!
>
> > Hakuron wrote:
> > Maybe I can talk Hardy into sharing his thoughts about attractive circumstances for Bochum people attending a tournament in France
> >
> Well, Rudolf indeed could.
>
> We had a discussion on this topic, on the German VEKN web forum, and specifically within the playgroup based in Bochum - the group which usually has some players visiting tournaments in the Netherlands or Belgium, as you know first-hand.
>
> So, my remarks are obviously centered on the Bochum group, but the views seem to be shared by other German players (especially, I see Alf's post above in this thread, which basically summarizes what I am about to confirm).
>
> The reasons are
>
> Travel distance
>
> The consensus amongst most of the players from Bochum is that the travel distance to an event should not be longer than 3, maybe 3,5 hours for a one-way trip, if we want to do that on a single day.
>
> Anything longer than that would need one or even two overnight stays, increasing the expenses (and excluding events on Sundays), and complicating political negotiations at home (most of the players have families).
>
> So, for example an event on a Saturday in Paris means traveling there on Friday (very possibly meaning players would need to take a day of leave from the job), spending two nights in Paris, and traveling back on Sundays.
>
> This applies, it seems, to all possible location in France: Metz has been mentioned above in this thread, which indeed would be the closest town in France from the point of view of the Bochum group - but travel there would take approximately 4 hours by car (so, longer than the limit discussed above), where Brussels is only 3 hours away.
>
> Language barrier
>
> Here, I need to state very careful that I am not sure about the reality of this, as opposed to the perceived situation.
>
> Several players are worried about a possible language problem when playing in France.
> Please note that the same problem applies to Spain, which was also brought up in the discussion we had - but in this thread, let us stay focused on France.
>
> Obviously, in a political multi-player game like VTES, the ability to speak a common language on a table is a key requirement.
> And even if the localized versions of VTES cards make it easier to get local players interested in the game, the lingua franca for VTES remains English for international events.
>
> A few players have played "Magic - The Gathering" in the past, and encountered severe issues in France, with French players not able - or, as one player stated, even not willing - to speak English.
> I want to be very careful here, as in my perception, the Magic tournament scene is prone to all kinds of what I would call unsportsmanlike conduct.... but this is part of what builds perceptions.
> One player confirmed that he had language problems when playing VTES with French players in the past.
>
> So, this is indeed something where I would like to hear from the French community:
> Is there indeed a language barrier?
> Are all the players who join large events (National Championship, Grand Prix) in France able to speak English on a level that allows negotiations?
>
> As this is the Internet:
> Please let me re-emphasize that neither I nor any of the players want to insult anyone, or exclude anyone from playing VTES, based on their language!
> But Vincent asked what the problems are, and so we need to address this one, and I hope that can happen in a constructive manner.
>
Let me answer on the language barrier :
You have many players with a correct level of English (to discuss, allow negotiations and so on), but you might encounter players that are not able to communicate in English. Anyway the chances that you are in tables where no one speaks decent English are close to zero (if not clearly zero).
So worst case scenario you can have someone on the table able to translate key interactions, which is not optimal, but it's generally enough.
In my opinion the travel distance & expenses are today more a barrier than the language.
Yes, you will face players who have difficulties to speak English. Probably more than in Germany (like you, this is a biaised perception based on my personal experience in germany) and certainly more than in the UK ^^.
But most of the players will be able to at least say the basics : "if you put me 1 dégât du kine, I will rush you !" Or the opposite "pliz don't rush me. I won't bleed you next turn"
> Timo wrote:
> But most of the players will be able to at least say the basics : "if you put me 1 dégât du kine, I will rush you !" Or the opposite "pliz don't rush me. I won't bleed you next turn"
>
Now I have voices in my head ...
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
Having travelled across Europe, I find english level of french guys average. Definitely better than spain, italy or east/central Europe. Probably similar to Germany or Belgium. Definitely worse than northern countries but they seem to be born English speakers so what to do ...
IC Organized play coordinator
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