Hello out there,
what is the timing of the effect of the effect to burn 1 blood when using Condemnation: Mute at ?
Especially:
If the referendum that passes is a Banishment, which chose the vampire with the Condemnation: Mute: Would that vampire burn one blood before she or he goes into banishment?
> Condemnation: Mute
>
> +1 stealth action. Condemnation.
> Ⓓ Lock a younger vampire.
> Requires an infernal vampire. Ⓓ Put this card on a ready vampire. The attached vampire gets -3 votes. Burn all other condemnation cards on this minion.
> As above, and the attached vampire burns 1 blood after a referendum passes.
>
> Banishment
>
> Choose a ready younger vampire. Successful referendum means the chosen vampire is moved to the uncontrolled region (breaking any temporary control effects); any cards and counters on the chosen vampire stay with them but are out of play as long as the chosen vampire remains uncontrolled.
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Hello,
After the Banishment passes, the targeted vampire is out of play so that the Condemnation Mute so I would say that vampire cannot burn 1 blood due to that card.
Regards,
Rémi.
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> Rémi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After the Banishment passes, the targeted vampire is out of play so that the Condemnation Mute so I would say that vampire cannot burn 1 blood due to that card.
>
> Regards,
> Rémi.
>
Correct. See also Banishment vs Alvaro.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Remi is correct.
Whether a referendum passes or not is determined in the "Resolve the Referendum" step of a successful political action. The effects of the referendum take place in the same step.
i.e. "after a referendum passes" is after that the effects of Banishment have been resolved.
> Rulebook:
> 3. Resolve the Referendum: If there are more votes for the referendum than against, it passes, and the effects take place. Otherwise, the referendum fails and has no effect. Tied referendums fail.
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As the Banishment referendum passes the cards on the vampire (including Condemnation: Mute) are put out of play and thereby no effects from those cards can trigger "after a referendum passes".
** I was slow on submitting my post
Adding the link to the Banishment vs Alvaro ruling referred to above
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/0Sy3xNbjYeU/m/MC9En0S-h4cJ
The above makes "After resolution of any political action" and "after a referendum passes" the same time window