Name: Daemonic Possession
[FN:C2, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 2 blood
Discipline: Necromancy
[nec] Choose a minion controlled by another Methuselah who has been burned since your last turn. Move the chosen minion from their owner's ash heap to your ready region with 1 blood or life, and lock them.
[NEC] As above, but do not lock the chosen minion.
Artist: Mark Nelson
As far as I know, minions in ash heaps are never controlled. What means that the minion has to be controlled?
Thanks.
> Coyote wrote:
> As far as I know, minions in ash heaps are never controlled.
>
This is correctly understood.
> Coyote wrote:
> What means that the minion has to be controlled?
>
The card text is not the best… the wording is because of the “since your last turn.” referring to a past state where “a minion controlled by another Methuselah” is applicable. Read it as per below, hopefully it makes more sense.
“ Choose a minion that was controlled by another Methuselah who has been burned since your last turn. Move the chosen minion from their owner's ash heap to your ready region with 1 blood or life, and lock them.
Thanks a lot, inm8
I was looking to use daemonic possession with vampires burned by Gisela Harden, The Winnower, but I see that combo doesn't work. Neither it does with Yong-Sun, Harmonist.
Name: Gisela Harden, The Winnower
[BL:U2]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Harbinger of Skulls
Group: 2
Capacity: 7
Discipline: aus dem FOR NEC
Sabbat priscus: Gisela can burn an uncontrolled minion in your prey's uncontrolled region as a action that costs X blood, where X is the amount of blood on that card, any blood on that card is returned to your prey's pool.
Artist: Christopher Shy
Name: Yong-Sun, Harmonist
[Sabbat:V, Promo-20040409]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Group: 2
Capacity: 10
Discipline: aus ANI OBF POT THA
Sabbat cardinal: Yong-Sun may burn the top card of your prey's crypt as a action.
Artist: Kevin McCann
Yes, in theory this card doesn't even work, cause no such minion as stipulated by its condition can exist. Unfortunately BCP had a policy at some point that they only errata cards that come into print. Since this is necromancy card which won't see reprint (necromancy will be rolled into Oblivion in V5), I have no idea what happens to this.
It should just say "minion card from another methuselah's ash heap".
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
> inm8 wrote:
>
> > Coyote wrote:
> > As far as I know, minions in ash heaps are never controlled.
> >
> This is correctly understood.
>
> > Coyote wrote:
> > What means that the minion has to be controlled?
> >
> The card text is not the best… the wording is because of the “since your last turn.” referring to a past state where “a minion controlled by another Methuselah” is applicable. Read it as per below, hopefully it makes more sense.
>
> “ Choose a minion that was controlled by another Methuselah who has been burned since your last turn. Move the chosen minion from their owner's ash heap to your ready region with 1 blood or life, and lock them.
>
Correct.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Correct.
>
So are we to understand that this card DOES work even though it has had no errata, or that it is always unplayable?
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
> Bloodartist wrote:
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> > Correct.
> >
> So are we to understand that this card DOES work even though it has had no errata, or that it is always unplayable?
>
It does work as if written "Choose a minion that was controlled"
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
The text was changed as part of being made available on DTC, unfortunately the wording isn’t as clear as could be. Would be good to update the text if possible (e.g. adding “that was”) as it is in print currently, so that is more clear and doesn’t rely on that the “since your last turn” applies to both when it was “controlled by another Methuselah” and to when the minion “has been burned” (I doubt if it is grammatically correct for the intended meaning).
The below is the new text:
> Choose a minion controlled by another Methuselah who has been burned since your last turn. Move the chosen minion from their owner's ash heap to your ready region with 1 blood or life, and lock them.
> As above, but do not lock the chosen minion.
>
The below is the old text:
> : Only usable when a minion controlled by another Methuselah has been burned since your last turn. Move that minion from his or her owner’s ash heap to your ready region, put 1 blood or life from the blood bank on the minion and tap the minion. You now control the minion.
> : As above, but the minion is untapped.
>
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > Bloodartist wrote:
> >
> > > Ankha wrote:
> > > Correct.
> > >
> > >
> > So are we to understand that this card DOES work even though it has had no errata, or that it is always unplayable?
> >
> It does work as if written "Choose a minion that was controlled"
>
Except that is not its official text.
www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt
That is also not its text in DTC.
www.drivethrucards.com/product/339343/Library--Daemonic-Possession--Action
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech