If a vampire bleeds and plays Daring the Dawn and superior Mirror Walk and then gets blocked by an ally does the vampire need to deal with the damage from Daring the Dawn?
Daring the Dawn
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Fortitude
Vampires cannot block this action. This vampire takes 2 unpreventable environmental aggravated damage after action resolution.
As above, but this vampire takes 1 unpreventable environmental aggravated damage.
Mirror Walk
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
Do not replace until your discard phase.
+1 stealth.
As above, and if this action is blocked, lock the blocking minion and end the action before block resolution.
> inm8 wrote:
> If a vampire bleeds and plays Daring the Dawn and superior Mirror Walk and then gets blocked by an ally does the vampire need to deal with the damage from Daring the Dawn?
>
Yes, they will. The action was blocked, so the action reached action resolution. Block Resolution is just part of action resolution (see the rulebook section "Resolve an Action"), so skipping that step doesn't stop "after action resolution" consequences.
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National Coordinator
South Africa
Fully agree with you (and is how I interpret the logic as well) but not everyone sees it as such and therefore it is good for us to get an official ruling on it
> drnlmza wrote:
>
> > inm8 wrote:
> > If a vampire bleeds and plays Daring the Dawn and superior Mirror Walk and then gets blocked by an ally does the vampire need to deal with the damage from Daring the Dawn?
> >
> Yes, they will. The action was blocked, so the action reached action resolution. Block Resolution is just part of action resolution (see the rulebook section "Resolve an Action"), so skipping that step doesn't stop "after action resolution" consequences.
>
Correct, pending "after resolution" effects must be resolved if the action has reached resolution, even if the action is ended.
See Change of Target vs Daring the Dawn: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/35vszszGZOA/m/GXrurZ9Rw-oJ
> LSJ wrote:
> > "Only usable when this acting minion is blocked (play before combat, if
> > any). Untap the acting minion, do not tap the blocking minion, and end the
> > current action. (It is not successful.) This minion cannot perform the same
> > action again this turn."
> >
> > It used to say cancel the action or something similar to that instead of
> > "end the current action." To me that suggests that CoT doesn't remove any
> > side effects of playing a card such as Force of Will.
> Exactly.
>
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
And how about daring damage after Tangle Antropos' Hand?
Only usable if a minion attempts to block.
[pot] Cancel the action and unlock this vampire. (The action is not blocked. Do not lock the blocking minion.)
[tem] As [pot] above, and take the action card, if any, back in your hand (discard down afterward).
[TEM] As [tem] above, and this vampire gets +1 stealth on their next action this turn.
NC of Hungary
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Tangle Atropos' Hand "cancels the action" which closes the window for playing more modifiers/reactions and triggering effects
There is no "end of action", the action cannot reach resolution as it is canceled before it
and any ”after resolution” delayed effects do not resolve.
In other words, the damage of Daring the Dawn is not done.
> Malachy wrote:
> And how about daring damage after Tangle Antropos' Hand?
>
Since the action is canceled before resolution, it never reaches resolution and therefore effects that would apply "after action resolution" are not.
> LSJ wrote:
> > >First of all, does the Red Herring still cause the Force of
> > >Will's agg damage to happen? Judge ruled "no", since the
> > >action was canceled, not blocked.
> Correct - but because the damage happens after the "action or combat"
> is resolved by card text (which never happens).
>
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Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
No, the Vampire only needs to deal with the damage when the reaction happens. The assault is still on the stack and the reaction can still happen. So, when the reaction is triggered, the vampire takes damage from daring the dawn and has only one opportunity to block the attacking ally.