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How to use Blood of Sandman in Play

11 messages from 7 participants · 19 February 2022 – 01 March 2022 · vekn.net/forum
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Lankweird

Blood of Sandman (Thaumaturgy / Blood Sorcery) + stealth action. D Burn an ally. +6 stealth action. D Put this card on a ready younger tapped vampire. Reaction cards this vampire plays while tapped are canceled as they are played. Burn this card if this vampire goes to torpor. ---- I folks, would someone on this forum help me understand how the superior effect for this card works in play? I've read it several times, but I don't quite understand how it works. Thanks in advance.

beslin igor

I never see in any game to someone play this card. 1st to say correct text on this card is: +6 stealth action. Ⓓ Put this card on a ready locked younger vampire. Reaction cards the attached vampire plays while locked are canceled as they are played (their cost must be paid still). Burn this card if the attached vampire is in torpor. So when is attached vampire locked,any reactions cards what him play are canceled-no effect. As locked him probably tru to play any of wakes,or unlock cards-but these cards dont work. and if cards cost,him must pay for it. If him for example play superior: Read the Winds Do not replace until after this action. ia +1 intercept. This vampire does not lock for the block. IA Only usable by a locked vampire. This vampire unlocks and attempts to block with +1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. Him need to pay cost blood,but him dont unlock and him can replace card-because no replace efect is also canceled

Ankha

> Lankweird wrote: > Blood of Sandman (Thaumaturgy / Blood Sorcery) > > + stealth action. D Burn an ally. > > +6 stealth action. D Put this card on a ready younger tapped vampire. > Reaction cards this vampire plays while tapped are canceled as they are played. Burn this card if this vampire goes to torpor. > > ---- > > I folks, would someone on this forum help me understand how the superior effect for this card works in play? I've read it several times, but I don't quite understand how it works. > > Thanks in advance. > By default, reaction cards can only be played by unlocked minions. Some cards can be played by locked minions ("usable by a locked..."), for instance the wake cards (On the Qui vive, Wake with Evening's Freshness, Eyes of Argus etc.) or cards such as Second Tradition or Organized Resistance. Blood of Sandman cancels those cards as they are played, denying the attached minion from taking profit from them. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Lankweird

Thanks for getting back. I’m still not clear how this card is played. If opposing minion has this card played on them, why would they even try to play a reaction card? I’m not sure whether this is just a poorly worded card, or I’m missing something very basic.

Ankha

> Lankweird wrote: > Thanks for getting back. > > I’m still not clear how this card is played. If opposing minion has this card played on them, why would they even try to play a reaction card? > > I’m not sure whether this is just a poorly worded card, or I’m missing something very basic. > They can play them to cycle, but they have no effect. So indeed, they'll probably don't waste their cards with that minion, but it also means that minion will never be able to "wake" at all. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Bloodartist

> Lankweird wrote: > Thanks for getting back. > > I’m still not clear how this card is played. If opposing minion has this card played on them, why would they even try to play a reaction card? > > I’m not sure whether this is just a poorly worded card, or I’m missing something very basic. > The purpose would be to deny them the ability to "wake". I have considered this, but so far made no deck involving it. Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech

ReverendRevolver

> Lankweird wrote: > Thanks for getting back. > > I’m still not clear how this card is played. If opposing minion has this card played on them, why would they even try to play a reaction card? > > I’m not sure whether this is just a poorly worded card, or I’m missing something very basic. > Large part of the point is to make them not play them. I think I've seen it used once maybe. The idea is you stop vampires from waking to block you. It's often a good plan to use Carna, Matthias, Neighbor John, etc to block 3ish actions in one turn, or wake/on the Q to bounce with or . BOS tries to pick one of those vampires and make them not be able to block or bounce once tapped. It's not used much because: It's not effective against decks that aren't going to react or block anyway. It wates an action that could have otherwise been used to win or not lose. Itsnot effective against weenie or because they'll just block with another of the 5 vamps they have out. Its in a similar vein as Sense Dep, Mind of a Child, Nightmare Curse, Shadowed eyes, and formerly Seeds of Corruption; you can screw over a minion, maybe, but it has to further your game by actually mattering towards you getting VPs or not becoming a VP for your predator. Even Sense Dep isn't the end all be all if your sitting between 2 weenie decks. It's not unplayably bad, but it doesn't give you a huge advantage against every deck and only targets tapped ready younger targets. They essentially can no longer react while locked, but can cycle the cards if needed.

Lankweird

Thanks for the detailed response, very much appreciated. Makes total sense now. Cheers!

Khaan

Goratrix wall is about the only deck i'd want this card for, and even then only if my win condition wasnt based on bleeds, since BoS doesnt really help against weenie bleed bouncers. But even with BoS on Goratrix (or some other wall vamp), that vamp would just stay untapped, meaning you still need 2 actions each turn to get through. Thus a combo of good ol' euro-stealth (Pentex subversion, Blind spot, misdirection, anarch troublemaker) may be better better picks, with more cyclability/speed. Lackeyname: Kris

ReverendRevolver

Exactly as Khaan says about Goratrix, many walls with one star that you would want to use this one already have a way around it and did before the card was printed. Goratrix, Rachel Brandywine, high cap magagi with no secrets, taylor twist, and obedience second trad all don't care about BoS. So you put it on a midcap where it sort of messes with them. Or you put it on a standing intercept +BOWL type Allstars blocker. But that +6 stealth gets mitigated by thier static access to 3 intercept, requiring them to have eyes of argus + eagle sight or telepathic Misdirection in hand. I wanted BoS to work. But a second trad failing to block makes your target invalid alone, so.... it's better to find other ways to mess with blockers.

Ashur

Yes, the word "younger" makes this card terribly bad. I assume it targeted weenie-AUS decks, but that is not versatile enough. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."