Lay Low
Action Modifier
Combat
Requires an anarch. Only usable when a blood hunt referendum passes and would burn this anarch. Move this anarch to the uncontrolled region (breaking any temporary control effects). Any cards and counters on this vampire remain with him or her (but are out of play as long as the vampire remains uncontrolled).
If a vampire plays Lay Low, is there a window before the effect resolves in which Carlton Van Wyck can burn them?
> MarcG wrote:
> If a vampire plays Lay Low, is there a window before the effect resolves in which Carlton Van Wyck can burn them?
>
No, Lay Low is played and resolved during the combat or action that triggered the blood hunt while Carlton´s ability to burn a vampire who has committed diablerie since your last turn can only be triggered/used during your discard phase
Lay Low
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Requires an anarch.
Only usable when a blood hunt referendum passes and would burn this anarch. Move this anarch to the uncontrolled region (breaking any temporary control effects). Any cards and counters on this vampire remain with him or her (but are out of play as long as the vampire remains uncontrolled).
Carlton Van Wyk
Cardtype: Ally
Cost: 2 pool
Unique mortal with 2 life. 0 strength, 0 bleed.
Carlton can strike: 1R damage. Once each combat, he can strike: dodge. Carlton gets +1 intercept against vampires. During your discard phase, you can burn Carlton to burn a vampire who has committed diablerie since your last turn.
You should also know that if the vampire playing Lay Low has since come back from the uncontrolled region, Carlton could burn itself to burn the diablerizing vampire.
(the game "remember" which vampire went to the uncontrolled and back again to the controlled region)
Here is the ruling [LSJ 20090505] saying that you can still burn a vampire that has committed diablerie that has passed through the uncontrolled region and gotten back into play within the time window of Carlton´s ability.
I couldn't find an explicit ruling saying that the game remembers vampires but the above is an implicit ruling of the same. Here is another ruling [LSJ 20001213] about remembering things given to a vampire in play that is banished and then returns into play.
> LSJ wrote:
> > What if
> > the anarch was influenced out again the same turn he went to the
> > uncontrolled due to Lay Low? I looked under Carlton sixth tradition,
> > sixth tradition banishment, Carlton banishment, etc. My guess is that
> > he is not burnable by Carlton while uncontrolled('out of play'), but
> > would be if he returns to play the same turn.
>
> Correct. He'd be burnable if he were in play during Carlton's controller's next
> discard phase.
>
Just typing without thinking deeper here...
What would happen regarding Carlton if Vampire X committed a diablerie, then got contested and yielded that contest to another copy of the same vampire?
Would Carlton be able to burn the NEW Vampire X?
(Is Carlton's ability directed against a _certain_ copy of a vampire and not against a vampire of a certain name?).
Hmmm, probably not. Would probably apply to non-unique vampires too and that would be a horrible can of worms. So it must be against a certain specific vampire.
And because of [LSJ 20001213]:
"Contested is out of play for most purposes.
However contested cards remember the stuff applied to them (when they are
recontrolled)."
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Actually, it would be the same with a vampire being banished /laid low and another copy of the same vampire being brought in play.
Carlton "sees" it as another vampire altogether.
> Lönkka wrote:
> Just typing without thinking deeper here...
>
> What would happen regarding Carlton if Vampire X committed a diablerie, then got contested and yielded that contest to another copy of the same vampire?
>
> Would Carlton be able to burn the NEW Vampire X?
>
No, it's not the same (copy of the) vampire
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