Hello Fellow Mathuselah,
I have another question that Apeared in our Playgroup.
Can i play Multiple Ashes to Ashes with a single Undead Persistence?
Here is the Hipotetical Situation:
In combat with another vampire i become wounded and play (in this order), [THN] Ashes to Ashes and [for] Undead Persistence.
The question is: Can i in the subsequent rounds play [THN] Ashes to Ahes without needing another Undead Persistence since it says i will not go to torpor until combat ends or would i need a new [for] Undead Persistence for every [THN] Ashes to ashes?
Thank you for your time,
Name: Ashes to Ashes
[BL:R2, LoB:R]
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Thanatosis/Fortitude
[for] Only usable by a vampire being burned; he or she is sent into torpor instead.
[thn] Prevent all damage. This vampire unlocks and goes to torpor (ending combat).
[THN] As [thn] above, and this vampire gains 2 blood from the blood bank.
Artist: Talon Dunning
Name: Undead Persistence
[Jyhad:U2, VTES:U, Sabbat:U, SW:PV, Anarchs:PAG]
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Fortitude
[for] Only usable when this vampire should go into torpor. {Instead,} this vampire gets an optional press{, } will not go to torpor until combat ends {but} is still considered wounded and can be burned as normal{}. If three rounds of combat pass with no cards played, combat ends. This vampire is sent into torpor after combat.
[FOR] Prevent 2 damage.
Artist: Clint Langley; Scott Kirschner
> William_Feitosa wrote:
> In combat with another vampire i become wounded and play (in this order), [THN] Ashes to Ashes
>
There's something I don't understand: if your vampire is wounded, it means that they are send to torpor because of unprevented aggravated damage, or a "strike: send to torpor (e.g., Coma).
In both cases, there is no damage to prevent. Since Ashes to Ashes at [thn] and [THN] is a damage prevention card, it cannot be played.
Aren't you mixing up things with the [for] level of the card that is not a prevention card, but a replacement effect and that is unrelated to the [thn] effect? (Short version: [thn] is not "as [for] above")
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
I think William is mixing wounded status and receiving agg damage.
So I think the sequence is:
Receive agg.
Prevent with AtA.
Stop going torpor with UP.
Receive more damage.
Prevent with AtA.
And the question: Does first UP stop second AtA from sending you torpor, or needs new UP played if one wishes to continue playing more AtA?
UP prevents the vampire from going to torpor through the entirety of the combat (until combat ends) in which it was played....meaning that at second UP is not needed nor can it be played because of not meeting the requirement on the second copy i.e. "Only usable when this vampire should go into torpor." and the vampire wouldn´t be going to torpor any longer after playing the first UP until combat ends. More Ashes to Ashes can be played in the resolution of the additional strikes/subsequent rounds as long as there is actual damage to prevent.
> inm8 wrote:
> UP prevents the vampire from going to torpor through the entirety of the combat (until combat ends) in which it was played....meaning that at second UP is not needed nor can it be played because of not meeting the requirement on the second copy i.e. "Only usable when this vampire should go into torpor." and the vampire wouldn´t be going to torpor any longer after playing the first UP until combat ends. More Ashes to Ashes can be played in the resolution of the additional strikes/subsequent rounds as long as there is actual damage to prevent.
>
Correct.
See groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/A3U-Dy1yx8Y/m/2LHXvLrmybwJ
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director