Probably a question asked before, but I couldn't find a concrete example that matches.
1) If Dylan (ADV) goes Anarch, and then merges with the base version; does the merged vampire become Sabbat or Anarch? In other words, does the text or the game state of the advanced version matter?
2) Would it behave any differently if the base and advanced version were of different sects? For instance, Petaniqua.Dylan
Sabbat: +1 bleed.Dylan (ADV)
Advanced, Sabbat. Red List: Dylan gets +1 stealth when bleeding. +1 strength. Infernal.
Quote from the rules:
" If the advanced card conflicts with the base card (a different sect, for example), the advanced card has precedence."
I believe it answers the question.
> Legion wrote:
> Quote from the rules:
> " If the advanced card conflicts with the base card (a different sect, for example), the advanced card has precedence."
>
> I believe it answers the question.
>
Correct. Dylan stays Anarch, since his base version and advanced version share the same sect.
See also
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/GDs-UOjOtUk/m/ClBPx6zTXGcJ
> LSJ wrote:
> The two versions have the same sect (Camarilla), so the merged copy doesn't
> override the base copy. Meaning sect won't change when merged.
>
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
I am not sure the rulebook text is apliccable here, since all cards and actions that turn a vampire anarch attaches an Anarch Counter or is iattched by itself to the card.
These cards explcitly state that the attached vampire is consided Anarch, and such cards are burned "when this vampire changes sects"
So the question becomes: Is the act of merging a vampire whose copy in play is a different sect then the advanced version a "change of sect" in the rules sense.
my gut instict is, that no, and a vampire with an anarch counter stays anarch after merging, since the sect is a result from an attached card, but clarification would be nice.
edit: aaand I was to slow in typing my answer, and Ankha already commented. ^^"
also further question:
Would that mean, if the sects differ between Base and advanced, the sect woudl change, even if the copy in play changed to a third sect?
i.E: Petaniqua -> go Anarch -> Merge with Petaniqua(adv)
Petaniqua
Camarilla. Red List: During any round of combat after the first, a minion opposing Petaniqua takes 2 points of damage before range is determined. Recruiting allies and employing retainers costs Petaniqua 1 less blood or pool. +1 bleed. Infernal.
Petaniqua adv
Advanced, Independent. Red List: Once each combat, Petaniqua may burn a blood to gain a press. Petaniqua may recruit a werewolf ally as if she meets the requirements of playing that card. +1 strength. Infernal.
wich sect does Petaniqua have?
> Hobbesgoblin wrote:
> wich sect does Petaniqua have?
>
Petaniqua would be Independent.
When merging a vampire it triggers the checking of the sect belonging of the two different card´s text (base vs advance) regardless of the current in-game state of sect belonging. If the sect belonging differs between the two then one is to treat the merging also as a sect changing effect which changes the vampires sect to the sect written on the advance card. Hope this helped to clarify how it works.
> inm8 wrote:
>
> > Hobbesgoblin wrote:
> > wich sect does Petaniqua have?
> >
> Petaniqua would be Independent.
>
> When merging a vampire it triggers the checking of the sect belonging of the two different card´s text (base vs advance) regardless of the current in-game state of sect belonging. If the sect belonging differs between the two then one is to treat the merging also as a sect changing effect which changes the vampires sect to the sect written on the advance card. Hope this helped to clarify how it works.
>
Correct.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Thanks for the response. The fact that there is different behaviours when the two versions' original sects differ (versus when they are the same), is wholly a confusing caveat.
But now I know.
Agree with you Snodig...would be much more intuitive and less complicated if the merging always triggered a sect change to the one on the advance card regardless.
> Timo wrote:
> Does it mean that this LSJ ruling is moot ?
>
> groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/8rtYEdsjbCc/m/WuSQ9_4j-7sJ
>
That ruling is contradictory with the other ruling I quoted previously, which makes that ruling is incorrect.
If the base version and the merged version have the same sect, then there is no sect change upon merging, even if the vampire has changed sects in the meantime.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director