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Until The End Vs. During: Art of Love Steals Informant

2 messages from 2 participants · 13 March 2021 · vekn.net/forum
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Killiam

Scenario: It is my turn at a 5-player table and my grand-prey controls an Informant. I play Art of Love to take control of the Informant until the end of the turn. During my turn, the Informant remains ready and no control effects are applied to it other than the text of the two cards in question. Question: In the next turn (my prey's turn), who has control of the Informant, and did I have a choice in the matter? It would seem that the Informant should be passed to my predator during my discard phase (according to the text of Informant), presumably breaking the temporary control effect of Art of Love, and that would be the end of it. But if there is no phase in my turn after the discard phase -- in other words, assuming my turn ends during my discard phase -- then I might have the option to order the effects as I please and return control of the Informant to my grand-prey first. That is why I am asking the question. Thanks! -Bill (Killiam) Name: Informant Cardtype: Ally Clan: Ishtarri Mortal with 1 life. 0 strength, 0 bleed. The Informant cannot act or block. During your unlock phase, any Methuselah who controls a ready Ishtarri may look at your hand. During your discard phase, your predator takes control of the Informant. Name: The Art of Love Cardtype: Master Clan: Toreador antitribu Master. Take control of an ally controlled by another Methuselah until the end of your turn. (Edit: just reinsterted some return characters that vanished after I submitted.) -Killiam (Bill Troxel) "I look back from where I'm from Look at the woman I've become And the strangest things seem Suddenly routine" -Hedwig Robinson

Ankha

> Killiam wrote: > Scenario: It is my turn at a 5-player table and my grand-prey controls an Informant. I play Art of Love to take control of the Informant until the end of the turn. During my turn, the Informant remains ready and no control effects are applied to it other than the text of the two cards in question. > > Question: In the next turn (my prey's turn), who has control of the Informant, and did I have a choice in the matter? > Your predator, and no, you don't have a choice. > Killiam wrote: > It would seem that the Informant should be passed to my predator during my discard phase (according to the text of Informant), presumably breaking the temporary control effect of Art of Love, and that would be the end of it. > Correct. > Killiam wrote: > But if there is no phase in my turn after the discard phase -- in other words, assuming my turn ends during my discard phase > No, your turn ends after your discard phase is over. Any effect that lasts "until the end of your turn" will last after everything that happens during the discard phase. > Killiam wrote: > -- then I might have the option to order the effects as I please and return control of the Informant to my grand-prey first. > No, for the reason above. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director