Fear of Mekhet:
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> Put this card on a ready justicar or Inner Circle member and lock them. During this vampire's unlock phase, they burn 5 blood. If they cannot burn the blood, they are burned; otherwise, their controller moves this card to another justicar or Inner Circle member, or burns this card if there are no others.
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Can Fear of Mekhet move to a vampire that is in torpor?
Older wording of the card seems to suggest it was not possible before Anarchs, but it changed to include "any" rather than "another", and lost the text that implied it burns if "no other ready" targets are available.
As per the older wording one wasn’t able to pass it on to a justicar either until the Anarchs change as well.
Just by the text I would say that one was always able to pass it on to another IC member regardless of if it being ready or in torpor.
Current text has removed the reference to “ready” in the last part of the text but it is still there on the initial requirement for target which still lends itself to the confusion/question at hand.
Just by text the initial target has to be ready and the target that one can pass it on to just have to be in play...effectively having different requirements for finding a valid target.
A ruling not aligned with the above would be more confusing and would be good to consider a text change aligned with such ruling.
> Snodig wrote:
> Fear of Mekhet:
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> > Put this card on a ready justicar or Inner Circle member and lock them. During this vampire's unlock phase, they burn 5 blood. If they cannot burn the blood, they are burned; otherwise, their controller moves this card to another justicar or Inner Circle member, or burns this card if there are no others.
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> Can Fear of Mekhet move to a vampire that is in torpor?
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Yes.
> Snodig wrote:
> Older wording of the card seems to suggest it was not possible before Anarchs, but it changed to include "any" rather than "another", and lost the text that implied it burns if "no other ready" targets are available.
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Do you mean Camarilla Edition?
Since CE, it is movable to a vampire in torpor, including a Justicar.
vtes.pl/card/Camarilla-Edition/Fear-of-Mekhet/41496
> inm8 wrote:
> As per the older wording one wasn’t able to pass it on to a justicar either until the Anarchs change as well.
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Camarilla Edition.
> inm8 wrote:
> Current text has removed the reference to “ready” in the last part of the text but it is still there on the initial requirement for target which still lends itself to the confusion/question at hand.
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> Just by text the initial target has to be ready and the target that one can pass it on to just have to be in play...effectively having different requirements for finding a valid target.
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Correct. Just like Derange must be played on a younger vampire, but can be moved to any other vampire afterwards (non-Malk, non-Malk antitribu).
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> Ankha wrote:
> Do you mean Camarilla Edition?
> Since CE, it is movable to a vampire in torpor, including a Justicar.
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> vtes.pl/card/Camarilla-Edition/Fear-of-Mekhet/41496
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Well, yes and no.
The "ready" part of the otherwise-clause was removed later than CE.
> Ankha wrote:
> Since CE, it is movable to a vampire in torpor, including a Justicar.
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My source for saying Anarchs and not CE was Amaranths “card changes” tab not actually knowing the source of it... is there an official place where one can find the card text history of cards?
Are you saying it wasn’t always movable to IC members in torpor? If you are why not?
I see your point...Jyhad version meant one always could move it to an IC member even if in torpor...if that one would be the only other one the card would burn and have no effect but if there was yet another one that is ready even though not the target which it is being passed to it wouldn’t be burnt and could then affect the targeted IC member that was in torpor at the time of passing the card.
> inm8 wrote:
> is there an official place where one can find the card text history of cards?
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I believe that Ke used archive.org to dig up old CSV lists to come up with his changes.
It would be great if we had a compiled list of changes on VEKN.
Fully agree with the above that an official list with the text changes through time would be great and even better if it also had a reason for the change as well...ie errata to fix what, wording clean up etc.
I also used the archive.org to try to dig for some information and unfortunately the official site back in the day only kept the latest text and without explanations and furthermore the archive.org only goes back to 2006 for it.
Does this data exist? if so please share it.
I’m aware of the site and it’s great but doesn’t provide the text changes a card has gone through or why.
Another question as I wasn’t into the game back in the day...when cards and /or rules where errata was it officially announced (hopefully with a reason) or nothing like that was in existence?
Card text changes generally coincide with a set being released.
Most important changes were announced in RTRs, there is a list of the RTRs here , although it looks a bit sparse. The list I digged up while building the rulings database for KRCG is accessible online , although I can't post it here because that's too many links for our forum engine it seems.
To check for card changes, I'd say ideally you best bet is to go over card images for each set. VTES.pl notoriously has the largest card scans database, so you can check there.
Some changes were discussed at length on the google group or the forum here, others were not. Sadly, I don't have a list of such discussions.
There has never been a Jyhad version.
The earlierst version was from Dark Sovereigns and the game had already changed the name to V:TES at that point.
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> Lönkka wrote:
> There has never been a Jyhad version.
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> The earlierst version was from Dark Sovereigns and the game had already changed the name to V:TES at that point.
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> *NITPICK OFF*
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Perfectly correct. I was mislead by the old master template.
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