A vampire in torpor with this card ( base version ) could be rescued?
Can it try to remove the Reality even in torpor?
Moving from the facebook post
Card text:
Name: Reality
[FN:C2]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 3 blood
Discipline: Chimerstry
Put Reality on a younger vampire. The vampire with this card cannot be the target of actions, cannot act (except to burn this card), cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. That vampire can burn Reality as a +1 stealth action.
Move a locked younger vampire to the uncontrolled region(breaking any temporary control effects). The vampire's blood counters, master cards and minion cards stay with that vampire, with any counters they have on them (those cards are out of play as long as the vampire remains uncontrolled).
Artist: Brian LeBlanc
Archbishop of Itaocara
Prince ID #510
> Sambomb wrote:
> Card text:
> Put this card on a younger vampire. This vampire cannot be the target of actions, cannot act except to burn this card, cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. This vampire can burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
>
Please quote the official text from www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt , not your own reworded card text.
> Sambomb wrote:
> Card text:
> Reality
> Put this card on a younger vampire. This vampire cannot be the target of actions, cannot act except to burn this card, cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. This vampire can burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
>
This edited version is still not the official text. Please don't use unofficial texts.
> jamesatzephyr wrote:
>
> > Sambomb wrote:
> > Card text:
> > Reality
> > Put this card on a younger vampire. This vampire cannot be the target of actions, cannot act except to burn this card, cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. This vampire can burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
> >
> This edited version is still not the official text. Please don't use unofficial texts.
>
fixed
Archbishop of Itaocara
Prince ID #510
> Sambomb wrote:
> Put Reality on a younger vampire. The vampire with this card cannot be the target of actions, cannot act (except to burn this card), cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. That vampire can burn Reality as a +1 stealth action.
>
For reasons that defy any explanation, Vincent has asserted that "Reality, on the other hand, is not about directed or undirected actions, " even though its card text says:
"The vampire with this card cannot be the target of actions "
In support of this, he has cited an Aabbt Kindred ruling that says that Aabbt Kindred can take rescue actions against your own vampires (because those actions are not directed), because their card text says:
Aabbt Kindred cannot perform actions unless Nefertiti is ready.
When this has been pointed out to him, he then threatened to throw his toys out of the pram and refuse to provide rulings in the official V:EKN (i.e. BCP) Facebook group where the rules specifically say you can ask rules questions.
BCP, Vincent's behaviour is doing you absolutely zero favours.
Official card text is: [chi] Put Reality on a younger vampire. The vampire with this card cannot be the target of actions, cannot act (except to burn this card), cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. That vampire can burn Reality as a +1 stealth action.
The question is about: "is rescuing my own vampire with Reality possible, or is it considered to be a action"?
I answered hastily: Reality forbids actions that are directed, against this vampire. In that case, doesn’t mean “typically directed” (so it cannot be removed) the same way than Sonar doesn’t work against actions that are not directed.
Sonar: [pro] +1 intercept, only usable against a action.
So Reality is basically equivalent to Secure Haven in that matter “This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions.” since the action must be taken by another Methuselah to make it directed when it targets a vampire you control.
Back to the question: is rescuing my own vampire with Reality possible? => yes, since it’s not directed (and Reality cares about whether it’s directed or not) or is it considered to be a action => no, it’s undirected, since you control the target of the action.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> jamesatzephyr wrote:
> When this has been pointed out to him, he then threatened to throw his toys out of the pram and refuse to provide rulings in the official V:EKN (i.e. BCP) Facebook group where the rules specifically say you can ask rules questions.
>
Not at all, I said that I prefered to answer on the forum for two reasons:
- I mostly answer on Facebook on my phone, which is not convenient to give lengthy answers
- history is kept on the forum, contrary to Facebook where it's lost pretty quickly.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Not at all, I said that I prefered to answer on the forum for two reasons:
> - I mostly answer on Facebook on my phone, which is not convenient to give lengthy answers
> - history is kept on the forum, contrary to Facebook where it's lost pretty quickly.
>
"Preferring to answer on the forum" is absolutely not what you said. You started with:
"Perhaps I should stop answering rule questions on Facebook"
That is not the same as preferring one forum to another, it is threatening to stop using the Facebook forum entirely.
Please don't pretend you didn't write that, when you did.
> jamesatzephyr wrote:
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> > Not at all, I said that I prefered to answer on the forum for two reasons:
> > - I mostly answer on Facebook on my phone, which is not convenient to give lengthy answers
> > - history is kept on the forum, contrary to Facebook where it's lost pretty quickly.
> >
> "Preferring to answer on the forum" is absolutely not what you said. You started with:
>
> "Perhaps I should stop answering rule questions on Facebook"
>
> That is not the same as preferring one forum to another, it is threatening to stop using the Facebook forum entirely.
>
> Please don't pretend you didn't write that, when you did.
>
Complete quote:
Perhaps I should stop answering rule questions on Facebook as I use it mostly on my phone (not a great device for lengthy explanation) and all rulings or explanations given there are lost in a few days (contrary to questions to the forum or the newsgroup, though the latest is not active anymore).
What I'll do from now on: create a topic on the VEKN forum to answer the question, and afterwards link that answer to the facebook topic.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Official card text is: [chi] Put Reality on a younger vampire. The vampire with this card cannot be the target of actions, cannot act (except to burn this card), cannot block and cannot cast votes or ballots. That vampire can burn Reality as a +1 stealth action.
>
> The question is about: "is rescuing my own vampire with Reality possible, or is it considered to be a action"?
>
> I answered hastily: Reality forbids actions that are directed, against this vampire. In that case, doesn’t mean “typically directed” (so it cannot be removed) the same way than Sonar doesn’t work against actions that are not directed.
>
> Sonar: [pro] +1 intercept, only usable against a action.
>
> So Reality is basically equivalent to Secure Haven in that matter “This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions.” since the action must be taken by another Methuselah to make it directed when it targets a vampire you control.
> Back to the question: is rescuing my own vampire with Reality possible? => yes, since it’s not directed (and Reality cares about whether it’s directed or not) or is it considered to be a action => no, it’s undirected, since you control the target of the action.
>
TL;DR
A vampire in torpor with Reality could be rescued?
Only by other vampires of the same controller.
Archbishop of Itaocara
Prince ID #510
> Ankha wrote:
> What I'll do from now on: create a topic on the VEKN forum to answer the question, and afterwards link that answer to the facebook topic.
>
Where, as just demonstrated, you didn't even bother to explain what the answer was.
Why are people using an official BCP channel for asking rules questions treated as second class citizens? Has this stance been agreed by BCP? Why?
Hi BCP, why is your Rules Director so actively hostile to answering rules questions from players in an official, BCP-run forum? Why do you have that forum, including for asking rules questions, if (presumably official) BCP policy is now to _not even post the answers there_. Please could you explain?
James, I for one REALLY appreciate the time and effort you tend to put on answering the rule questions and your knowledge and insight seems to be more or less unmatched.
However, you now seem to be entering a frustrated phase which seems to be, at least for an outside observer, quickly turning you into something of an asshat. And it doesn't really become you.
The current situation by BCP is hardly optimal, but the delays in answering are probably due to to Vincent having a deadline with translating the V5 rules into french.
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